New to forum- confused about F40's

Hi everyone. I've been looking in on this forum for awhile now and decided to dive in.

I've been following Guild's new line of small-bodies and the CV-1, I believe, has been compared to a F-40. I looked up F-40's on the web and every picture I've seen looks like a jumbo. The CV-1 is definitely a smaller bodied guitar.

However, I also came across the "Valencia" F-40 which appears to fall into the "OM" category.

Can anyone confirm these discrepencies among "F-40"'s thoughout the years?

By the way, I love Guild guitars and currently have a Corona D-50 that keeps getting better and better.

Thanks for your time.

Basically it goes something like this for the "F" body (although the rule has been broken more than a few times over the years):

F20 - 14" lower bout (like Martin 00)
F30 - 15" lower bout (like Martin 000/OM)
F40 - 16" lower bout - Mini-Jumbo (like Martin M/0000 or Gibson J185)
F50 - 17" lower bout - Jumbo (like Gibson J200)

Note that the above measurements are approximations, i.e., an F30 could be 15 1/4", etc.

Also note that there are a few years where F30 was used a for jumbo style guitar. Also, there's the JF30 and that was a jumbo as well. So it can get pretty confusing. But, the F40/Valencia is definitely a 16" mini-jumbo.

-Chris

F30r-ls
F44

Hey, thanks for the response. That helps me quite a bit.

It's just that from the pictures, the CV-1 looks like an OM, not a mini-jumbo, as does the F-40 Valencia. I guess the only way to truly compare is to play them both side by side or compare the measurement specs.

Thanks again for all that info.

I had a chance to scope out the CV-1 at Willie's. See here: (Scroll down) http://www.letstalkguild.com/phpBB2/vie ... c&start=30

Thanks, good review.

That's what I mean; you (Dirt) described the CV-1 as "fitting" like a small body 00 or OM. Could a mini-jumbo be mistaken for a 00 or a OM? I mean, the F-40 Valencia and the CV-1 do not strike me as being similar to a Gibson J-185 in shape or size really. Perhaps it's an optical illusion.

Thanks again.

The CV-1 is defiantly a smaller guitar. My GF-25 is a 16-wide Jumbo, I think like the Gibbon J-185 or Martin J size. The Guild F-50 & F-512 is a 17 wide guitar, like a Gibbon J-200. I don't know what the width of the CV-1 is (I didn't measure it) but I think it's in the 15" range. It's bigger than a Martin OO guitar( which is about 14+") , so I think it's like a OOO or OM. The Guild website say it's an "Orchestra" body style, which makes sense.

Here's a really snazzy F40 if anyone wants to look.......

http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/GearDe ... em=1528866

The descriptions oon the Guild site are as follows:

CO-1
"Vintage F-30 body"
"Body style: Orchestra"

CV-1
"Vintage F-30 body"
"Body style: F-40"