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Jahn
12-05-2007, 06:25 PM
Something struck me today, the word "Trifecta." Having a red Starfire 12 and 6 string, I was just jonesin' for a 4 stringer too! Didn't hurt that I won an ebay auction for a bass amp "by mistake" - had no idea it would go for so low, must be my subconscious at work. Anyhow, it's a 90's SFII Bass Reissue, and in pristine condition (top upper bass bout looks a little wavy but he said it was the flash camera on lacquer doing that, we'll see), shipping out as we speak, should be here next week! Unlike the SFII Special, I indeed have pics of this one right now, provided by the seller! I wonder how many of these reissues were made, they look like a lot of work...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/DSC003661.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/DSC003651.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/DSC003631.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/DSC003621.jpg

danerectal
12-05-2007, 06:33 PM
Funny how those "mistakes" happen. I just "accidentally" bought a 70s Guild case for $83.76. Not my worst "mistake" by a long shot. Once, I threw in a test bid on an S-100c. It's now one of the most cosmetically beautiful guitars I own. Look at how you've capitalized...

Jahn
12-05-2007, 06:41 PM
Haha yep, got an Eden bass amp that usually goes for $520, but I just tossed a $200 bid out there and bingo. Guess no one wanted to have a 1X12 combo lugged over, even though the S&H was a reasonable $50. I figure less than half retail is fine in my book, and best of all it has a headphone out so I can finally play all my electrics in places not frequented by toilets and bathtubs at night!

Jeff
12-05-2007, 07:32 PM
Trifecta,,,,,, cool !! 8)

fronobulax
12-05-2007, 10:19 PM
Well it is a reissue :wink: but the Trifecta is pretty cool.

Obviously we need a picture of the siblings together.

Congratulations.

Jahn
12-05-2007, 10:49 PM
Correctomundo, and it looks like the reissue has a few differences too (other than being intro'd with Slash on the top of the NAMM page-)

http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/W ... itars.html (http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/WNAMM98/Guild/New-Guitars.html)

And I emphasized a little word in bold face. Gaffe? Eek! Looks like this one is still made in Westerly tho!

Starfire Bass II

The Starfire Bass II is a modern version of a '60s classic. It has a double cutaway/thinline semi-hollow body bound on the top and back with a laminated mahogany top, back, and sides. Features an ultra-slim mahogany neck with a 30 3/4" scale length, a rosewood fretboard with dot inlays and no binding. Also includes original style machine heads, Chesterfield headstock inlay, new style trussrod cover, two Guild humbucking bass pickups, two volume, two-tone knobs, master volume control, three-way toggle switch with chrome tip, and and a redesigned old style bridge and tailpiece.

Lightweight and versatile, the Fender Starfire Bass II was favored by Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, and Lovin' Spoonful. In this updated edition, the upgraded pickups have more full range than the original and the newly designed bridge produces better tone and intonation. The overall bass sound is big, warm, and woody. Its slightly shorter 30 3/4" scale combined with the ultra slim neck makes the Starfire Bass II ultra-comfortable to play.

jp
12-07-2007, 04:48 PM
Wow Jahn,
You're building up quite the herd. Congratulations on the SF bass. It's still a beauty, even with the F----- word. :)

fronobulax
12-07-2007, 08:00 PM
Features an ultra-slim mahogany neck with a 30 3/4" scale length, a rosewood fretboard with dot inlays and no binding.

the upgraded pickups have more full range than the original and the newly designed bridge produces better tone and intonation.

When you have in hand I would be very interested in two points. First the usual scale length for a vintage SF is given as 30 1/2". Is there really a 1/4 inch difference or is it just sloppiness in measurement. If the reissue is "longer" can anyone actually tell the difference? For the record the best measurement is from the nut to the 12th fret and then double. Otherwise you get a different answer based upon the way your bridge is adjusted.

Second, how do the new improved humbuckers compare to the originals?

And I note the irony that I bought my first Guild because it wasn't a Fender.

Jahn
12-08-2007, 12:30 AM
Will do, when the bass comes (got a tracking number, it'll be here next monday!) I'll check the scale length. Dunno how the original PUs sounded, but these were made by Seymour Duncan I believe? I would probably keep them vs. Dark Stars, because the DS are single coil. Although reverse wound and so would hum cancel if both were on, I'd rather keep the stock 'buckers and have all 3 choices of neck, bridge and both without hum in any position (my house has DIRTY power).

Edit- just checked the 2008 price guide. Maybe it's because of the whole dark star thing, but the reissue jumped to be worth almost as much as the originals, go figure. Heck, less wear plus good resale = less worry!

fronobulax
12-08-2007, 05:59 PM
Will do, when the bass comes (got a tracking number, it'll be here next monday!)

Looking forward to it, on your behalf. Maybe you need to figure out how to multitrack your self so you can play the Trifecta.

I'd describe the original Guild humbuckers as "muddy" or "flat" at least on my JS as compared to my SF. Admittedly that could be the player, or flat vs. round or just 30 year old strings, so it would be very interesting to know if the reissue humbucker has any character.

Personally I've never had any hum issues with the Bi-sonic in the SF but that could just be the environment.

Jahn
12-09-2007, 11:53 PM
UPS actually called me today to make sure I'd be around to sign for it tomorrow. Craziness. Oh man!

fronobulax
12-10-2007, 12:02 AM
UPS actually called me today to make sure I'd be around to sign for it tomorrow. Craziness. Oh man!

You can wait. It won't be that long now.

BTW you don't have to check the scale length unless you want to. I dug into and found product literature that claims 30 3/4 and well as 30 1/2 as scale lengths for the original, so whatever the measurement is, I would expect the reissue to be the same as the original.

Jahn
12-10-2007, 01:20 AM
no problem at all, i'll whip out ye olde tape measure for such this occasion. after all, minutiae feed the forumites as we all know! :D

Jahn
12-10-2007, 11:58 PM
It's here! But first things first:

http://www.stewmac.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cg ... e&FSI=WISL (http://www.stewmac.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?action=fretscale&FSI=WISL)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/GG.jpg

Which would make the Scale Length what? I can't do math. What's double that? Thanks! I think it's closer to 30.5 than 30.75 right?

Jahn
12-11-2007, 12:11 AM
Anyhow, on with the pics!

Who was the first owner? BUDDY HOLLY!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/SF.jpg

OK so not really. But have you ever seen so many latches on a case before? Man, Guild doesn't skimp! Ah here we go...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/SFTr.jpg

Man this thing is pristine, honestly. And I'm happy to finally have a Westerly representative in the house! As seen on the label...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/Label.jpg

So what does the "TPR" stand for in "SF2, TPR, Mahogny" I wonder.

Oh, there is one little mod, but it brings forth such devastating Mojo, it must stay in place forever...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/SFTri3.jpg

So there you go, the Starfire Trilogy is complete!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/SFTri.jpg

fronobulax
12-11-2007, 12:39 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/Starfire%20Bass/SFTri.jpg

Wow, just wow.

Even Mrs. Fro - who definitely does not have nor understand GAS - was impressed.

And now I guess I need to find a tape measure :-)

Thanks.

FNG
12-11-2007, 12:43 AM
Serious lineup, Jahn!!! 8) 8)

Jahn
12-11-2007, 12:53 AM
Thanks! and I remeasured the bass, edited the scale length post pic in the previous page! Whew!

jp
12-11-2007, 08:45 PM
Applause applause applause!

capnjuan
12-11-2007, 08:47 PM
I think that lineup makes Jahn 'King Crimson'... yowee!

Jahn
12-12-2007, 04:27 AM
Hey, I like that! One King Crimson Avatar, comin' right up!

hansmoust
12-12-2007, 10:04 AM
So what does the "TPR" stand for in "SF2, TPR, Mahogny" I wonder.

Hello Jahn,

TPR stands for 'Transparent Red' and the bass is from 1998.

Have fun with it!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

capnjuan
12-12-2007, 12:29 PM
Hey, I like that! One King Crimson Avatar, comin' right up!

The dance of the puppets
The rusted chains of prison moons
Are shattered by the sun.
I walk a road, horizons change
The tournaments begun.
The purple piper plays his tune,
The choir softly sing;
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue,
For the court of the crimson king.

The keeper of the city keys
Put shutters on the dreams.
I wait outside the pilgrims door
With insufficient schemes.
The black queen chants
The funeral march,
The cracked brass bells will ring;
To summon back the fire witch
To the court of the crimson king.

The gardener plants an evergreen
Whilst trampling on a flower.
I chase the wind of a prism ship
To taste the sweet and sour.
The pattern juggler lifts his hand;
The orchestra begin.
As slowly turns the grinding wheel
In the court of the crimson king.

On soft gray mornings widows cry
The wise men share a joke;
I run to grasp divining signs
To satisfy the hoax.
The yellow jester does not play
But gentle pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the crimson king.

I left out the 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa' lyric. Quiz next Tuesday on memorizing the lyrics, extra points for any detectable meaning.... cj

dklsplace
12-12-2007, 12:53 PM
Quiz next Tuesday on memorizing the lyrics, extra points for any detectable meaning.... cj

Any bonus points for having the vinyl half speed mastered collector's edition of that album? :mrgreen:

capnjuan
12-12-2007, 01:11 PM
Quiz next Tuesday on memorizing the lyrics, extra points for any detectable meaning.... cj Any bonus points for having the vinyl half speed mastered collector's edition of that album? :mrgreen: Absolutely; double extra points and being excused from taking the final .... you have it? Whoa ...!! Goth before there was Goth ... 8)

Jahn
12-12-2007, 10:02 PM
TPR=Transparent Red. So simple, so elegant. Thanks Hans, another mystery solved! And I have fond memories of '98, so that reissue year jives with me. Long Live Prog Rock!

capnjuan
12-13-2007, 12:44 PM
Hey, I like that! One King Crimson Avatar, comin' right up! Oh King Crimson, King Crimson; there's a call for you on de Bay .... says his name is '66 SF3 .... said something about a Grand (Crimson) Slam? Modest buckleyduckley on backside but still .... Here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Guild-Starfire-III-Bigsby-OHSC-Archtop-3-NR_W0QQitemZ250197357230QQihZ015QQcategoryZ119094Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/capnjuan/sf3red.jpg

Jahn
12-13-2007, 03:56 PM
argh no! i swore off bigsby axes, i swear! get thee behind me, oh tempter!

capnjuan
12-13-2007, 03:59 PM
Hath thou againseth the Bigsby a tort with us to share?

Jahn
12-13-2007, 05:17 PM
'tis a sad tale of ye olde "fox 'n grapes" adage forsooth, my good fellow. perchance I come across one when the stars align rightly, a bigsby doth approach the threshold nigh. but alas, for now a better chance have i of swyvin' one o' the local Bowery luminaries. :twisted:

The Guilds of Grot
12-13-2007, 05:21 PM
argh no! i swore off bigsby axes, i swear! get thee behind me, oh tempter!
Aww go on! Stretch the triple into a four bagger! Bigsby be damned!

capnjuan
12-13-2007, 05:27 PM
Would it a fine addition to your treasure make and, King Crimson, further your adversaries and benefactors, both near and far, impress.

Jahn
12-13-2007, 05:54 PM
Evil, thine name is LTG. :evil:

capnjuan
12-13-2007, 06:01 PM
Our BB Racoon Lodge Brother Billy D Light just put up another .... Crimson .... '68(?) SF3

"....In the Court of the Crimson king ...
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... "

Jahn
12-13-2007, 10:47 PM
I am SO going to listen to this album again when I get home! Just don't expect me to miraculously be able to play along with any of these Starfires tho!

Default
12-13-2007, 10:57 PM
I am SO going to listen to this album again when I get home! Just don't expect me to miraculously be able to play along with any of these Starfires tho!

So play "Joe's Garage" :twisted:

Jahn
12-14-2007, 01:23 AM
I am SO going to listen to this album again when I get home! Just don't expect me to miraculously be able to play along with any of these Starfires tho!

So play "Joe's Garage" :twisted:

Have Guild, Will Travel! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=sRfO63qGIQE)

Ok so that's not me. And that's not Zappa. But it IS a Guild. See? We have something in common!

Default
12-31-2007, 01:15 AM
I am SO going to listen to this album again when I get home! Just don't expect me to miraculously be able to play along with any of these Starfires tho!

So play "Joe's Garage" :twisted:

Have Guild, Will Travel! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=sRfO63qGIQE)

Ok so that's not me. And that's not Zappa. But it IS a Guild. See? We have something in common!

No Guild content, but Zappa segueing from "Joe's Garage" into "Why Does It hurt When I Pee." (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VX8415wWqU4&feature=related) :shock: