'65 S-50 Heavy Mod Day, All Guild Mayhem w/ Tweedy Bird Amp

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For some that have been watching the S-50 Special saga with any interest at all might remember that I thought it was the cat's pajamas after switching over to 009's, old person syndrome... and while fast it lost a lot of Mojo going from 10's to 009's, let's just say 10's ring the guitar's bell much better.

And so I had been thinking about that for a while, how limp it felt and sounded, bigger can better.

And as cabin fever has really set in now, I was also contemplating if the guitar's somewhat woofy natural tone would pair well with the [unbelievably shrill] Guild Tweedy Bird micro marvel amp which came my way from previous Guild fever.

And yes, the combination of the S-50 Tweedy Bird is truly sensational.

The tiny but cute amp is just simply on/off, very free from defects like battery drainage or any issue and actually loud, as in noisy, as in raspy and potentially unpleasant, and this is where the S-50 comes in.

The volume/treble pots are the most sensitive and interactive I've seen, which is a good thing, maybe even a chicken and egg thing, like would I even know or care they were they interactive had I not been stuck with one pickup? Necessity is indeed a mother.

So, rolling the volume back to 7 or lower gets you some clean tones, if too bright, roll back the tone. I've never seen a guitar get more "woman tone" than this Guild, some tone cap.

Never bothered to look at it because the pickguard screws have never been turned, and I don't turn things that have not been turned before, if I can help it, so I do have to live with the guilt of self inflicted butchery to a Guild.

Now we get into the "Heavy Mods".

The silly trem arm was just incredibly in the way of the knobs, and it's tight never used condition makes for less than easy rotation, so I removed the arm!

In the case pocket it goes.

Easier said than done though, with the screw as new I did not want to booger it up, so I tried a few coins, an old penny is a decent fit, but somehow a souvenir WWII pfennig made of Zinc was better - metric? - so I used that to undo the very very tight screw, to the point of removing this troublesome arm, screw back down tight, the little collar makes the nicest handle for the delightful Tremar, which is truly a work of art in more ways than one.

One way is restringing, the ease of restringing is beyond compare, compared to the more ubiquitous Bigsby, stringing the Tremar makes you feel like you could tackle open heart surgery, whereas stringing a Bigsby feels like you're trying to roll a cigarette with rubber gloves on your hands.

And so I was sick of the ice brewed GHS Cryo Steels .009's that were on there and switched them out one by one - the right way - for a set of these amazing GHS Brite Flats .010's, and the S-50 really came alive with the big strings. Flats have more tension than roundwounds of the same size, so more tension, feels more like a Fender and in fact twangier with a much stronger fundamental note, really rings. This Alder bodied guitar really has an impressive ringing quality, great natural sustain, very clear tone.

Strings have gone up but they cheaper by the 6 pack.

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Biggest mod on this guitar in 50 years, taking the trem arm off. Speakes volumes that Guild don't need messed with to sound good. An SG from the same era would not be this untouched, very very rarely.

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Now I have full access to the very sensitive knobs ;] The volume really cleans up but also gets some whacked out rasp on 10, the trick is to find the breakup point and use touch sensitivity to bark out notes, basically goes into Marshall Plexi mode from 8 to dimed.

No need for 11 on this baby.

The treble is as equally sensitive, capable of rolling back from bright to neutral to the darkest woolly mammoth tone, has a distortion all it's own it's so blatantly bassy, basically a toneful fart, which can be modulated to a lesser extreme for some very vintage Blues tone a la John Lee Hooker, early electric player who sounds a lot like Canned Heat but 20 years before.

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Amp is turned as to not blast yourself out but give your audience the joy of a 2" speaker running on a 9V battery, but it's all vintage Japan analog and actually has great tone.

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The other side of the Tweedy. This little guy is great for troubleshooting also.

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The brilliant Tremar. The little stub arm works perfectly to quaver notes and looks cooler than operating the arm the regular way. I may never put the redundant arm back on.

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At this precise angle, operation is very natural. The Tremar must be worthy of a Nobel, in the guitar world.

The screw is still pristine as if never screwed.
 
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Is that somehow the original foam on the Tweedy Bird?
 

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Foam has probably been replaced, is in good condition with slight evidence of replacement.

Here's more pics of Tweedy in action or close up.


Troubleshooting a Starfire with wiring altered by someone in an altered state.

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The backside. It's very cute and quite stout.

Glamour shots.

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It can be a very annoying sounding amp, but it does amplify well beyond the guitar's own capabilities, and it can be modulated to sound just right, the S-50 is the perfect foil.

And for as little room as it takes, crazy not to have it in the case for "off the grid" jams ;]

It's a keeper, probably belongs with the S-50 for the rest of eternity, also because it doesn't work on a Strat ;]

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From lively clarity to raunchy distortion, just like a Plexi ;]
 
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When first posted there were no visible photos.

Sorry about that. Pics weren't in the order I liked so I deleted them, reattached and reinserted them better, more to my liking.

Also, sometimes the site refuses to do something while posting, it's better to post, then edit and make adjustments, seems tp be the hack.
 

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Beautiful guitar! What type of headstock is on that sunburst S50? Mine had the asymmetric headstock like a Thunderbird but with a black laminate with simple "Guild" inlay. Mine was a red poplar model with tremar. Regret trading it in on a Fender Coronado 12 string but it did spoil my preference for Guild guitars.

That little Tweedy Bird amp may sound a little raunchy when cranked up. You should consider doing a Keith Richards trick. On Jumping Jack Flash he used his acoustic guitar miked into a all cassette recorder/player and the miked the speaker output of the cassette player into the mixing console and/ or another amp.
Lot of work but he got a unique sounding intro to the song.
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What doesn’t work?

Today it was when I went to post again - a couple times - my original or previous post with pics saved as HTML were already in the posting box and would have to be highlighted and deleted before posting fresh comment or quote and comment.
 

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What type of headstock is on that sunburst S50?

The ultra cool reverse headstock with straight across Guild logo as opposed to the V'd logo the next year.

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USA tuners at this point, I really like these, they are no trouble at all. I sure like the way my thumb wraps around that volute when playing E Major chord, feels ok.

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It's a case queen.
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Just the right weight.
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Nice!! I do like the "firebird" type headstock shape.
It does a nice job aligning the strings, nut and bridge in a straight "fenderish" alignment without any sharp angles along the string path. Exactly the opposite concept of the offset shredder head installed on the hairband models of the 80's!

Never gave the Guild logo text shape a lot of consideration. I'll have to go back and look at the vintage S100 Polara's. I just moved all the guitars to another room in prep for some remodeling. May not be an easy task to check them out right now!
 

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Today it was when I went to post again - a couple times - my original or previous post with pics saved as HTML were already in the posting box and would have to be highlighted and deleted before posting fresh comment or quote and comment.
That’s a feature that lets you write a post, leave for a while, then come back again.

You can also delete drafts with the floppy disk icon:

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I have a feeling most computer use "glitches" are mostly self inflicted, the inherent distractions can do a number on your attention span.
 

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Luckily most mods are reversible, and I reattached the tremolo arm two days later ;]

You can access the knobs over the trem arm with a crab pincer maneuver, works nicely, and the trem is so great for slight chordal quavers, pitch drops, does it and and never gets in the way of your playing in the way that made me desperately drill holes in a Bigsby for a pin style lock so you could bend notes in the blues idiom properly, but decided it best to just part ways with the Bigsby, forever.

I searched through my coin collection for quite a while before finding a 1965 penny - not many minted that year? - so I would have a proper tool - slight OCD to find exact matching year penny of course in good condition - to keep in the case to loosen/tighten screw without marring. The screw still looks showroom after all these years, very good quality - thick - chrome plating.

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Lucky Abe.

Recording with it, acoustic passages a clear and powerful, made only better by way of an early CMAT Mods Grey Ross Compressor clone, very clear, bright, articulate, and then very surprisingly not harsh sounding - pickup placement - through a very very good Chicago Stompworks Ram's Head Big Muff, for the most unbelievably smooth sustain, syrupy leads tones, exquisite.

The cat - Iris/Osiris - seems to shape shift in and out of the house. When I think she's in, she's out, and when I think she's out, I find her sleeping right next to the precious, but she somehow never mauls it, lucky. Those teeth can destroy a nice ball point pen in seconds. Her other/real name is Clawdya, and you can see why, even sleeping, claws out. It's like free acupuncture when you hold her.

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We sold a ton of those little Tweedy Birds. I must have had four or five when I worked for Guild. Lilien used to give them to me. They always crapped out after a short time.
 
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