Awful Japanese tuners on 65 CE-100D

[wileypickett]

Those tuners though, yeah. Your assessment made me recall that cringe-inducing grinding of metal on metal when you turned the tuner buttons.

Thankfully, they don't make 'em like that anymore!

 

[jp]

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[Default]

As far as original or close to original tuners I have no suggestions other than trying to find a set that's not worn out yet!

By the way, your guitar is from 1966. If it had been from 1965, it probably would have had Grover StaTites and it would have been easy to find a replacement for those!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

I believe you told me that before, and I forgot it. Thanks!

 

[Nuuska]

That 15.5 / 1 ratio first made me wonder - then thinking further I can see it being possible - but still quite unusual.

 

[Default]

I could cnc an adapter out of brass, but I haven't had the time or energy. I should really retire, and start doing the things I like to do, instead of the stuff I have to.

 

[GAD]

I could cnc an adapter out of brass, but I haven't had the time or energy. I should really retire, and start doing the things I like to do, instead of the stuff I have to.

You have a CNC machine?

 

[Default]

Just a 3018 prover, but it can do aluminum and brass, albeit slowly.

It's a learning machine.

 

[Default]

I finally got the graphtech tuners in yesterday. I'm going to pull out the CE-100D and see how well the baseplates match up after work, assuming I don't throttle someone in the meantime.

 

[chazmo]

Good luck, Steve! Wow, a whole year of waiting. I hope it works out!

 

[GGJaguar]

The excitement is building! Can't wait to see how they fit.

 

[Default]

Good luck, Steve! Wow, a whole year of waiting. I hope it works out!

It's been something. My chronic disorganization didn't help.

 

[Guildedagain]

GAD's review made me stay away from Starfires with these tuners.

 

[GAD]

GAD's review made me stay away from Starfires with these tuners.

A baffling choice on an otherwise amazing instrument. Well I guess it’s not baffling: all companies try to lower costs if they don’t want to raise prices.

 

[Guildedagain]

Yes, quite sad actually. Of course, a set of luthier/owner installed Grover Rotomatics proved to be the solution for this, seen on quite a few period guitars.

The Gover Sta-Tites used in the year/s prior, as Hans points out, are such nice tuners with such pretty buttons that I'd prefer that iteration of the Starfire II or III above all others.

 

[Shakeylee]

look forward to an update

 

[bobouz]

A baffling choice on an otherwise amazing instrument. Well I guess it’s not baffling: all companies try to lower costs if they don’t want to raise prices.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread (post #12), Gibson installed those crap tuners on a number of models in 1967. Maybe when Guild used them in 1966, Gibson took note & decided to try them as well. Thanks a lot, Guild! Actually, I've always wondered if a supply shortage caused their brief appearance on USA-made instruments. I remember first time I saw a set (on a Japanese guitar), hating even the shape of them!

 

[SFIV1967]

We also had discussed the same tuner topic in another thread, I had identified a few possible solutions there as well:

Guild T-100D Special

Hi, I bought this wonderful Slim Jim in the rare T-100D Special version with the factory bigsby Now the tuners are a bit worn out.... Does anybody know if there are tuners that fit without making new holes? Thanks Ben

letstalkguild.com

Ralf

 

[Default]

I want to avoid drilling more holes. I have multiple replacement sets, but nothing is a dropin replacement.

 

[SFIV1967]

I want to avoid drilling more holes. I have multiple replacement sets, but nothing is a dropin replacement.

When you show the final result maybe you could also show what other replacement sets did not fit.
Ralf

 

[Default]

Ugh. Finally got around to this. The Ratio tuners are not labeled correctly. They are supposed to be 1 through 6, but one side is labeled A,A,C and the other side is 1,4,4. Waiting to hear from Graphtech. In any case, the pegholes need to be reamed slightly. On the bright side, the invismount plates will fit the peghead screwholes, if you slightly enlarge the plate's screwholes.

Gotoh Kluson replicas don't fit through the Japanese ferules. The butterbean buttons look the part, from the front, at least. The Kluson-style tuner body does not conceal the original screwholes.

OTOH, Grover openbacks fit through the original ferules, and cover the Japanese tuner screwholes, but you will have to drill new holes for the Grover's mounting screws.

It looks like you might be able to buy the cheap Chinese angled plate tuners, and disassemble them. Then you can flip the button shaft to the other side, to get a drop in tuner. What quality of tuner you end up with is unclear though.

The upshot is most people who want a better tuner, with a minimum of effort, should just go with the open back Grover. It's a better tuner, and a cleaner installation.