Favorable review of the new F212XL

[Christopher Cozad]

Ted Hechtman at Acoustic Guitar posted a link to a review from Jake Kelly that just came out at American Songwriter. Have a look:

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2010/11/guild-guild-f-212xl-12-string/

Christopher

 

[Brad Little]

Overall, a nice article, but a few errors that probably shouldn't have made it into a publication at this level. In the first paragraph:
"And one of the bumps caused the machine to cease production in the USA altogether."
I know some people think of the left coast as another country, but in reality, Corona and Tacoma are still part of the good old USA. Here he is just repeating an oft heard story about the company.
In paragraph nine:
"One of the great Guild features is dual truss rods in their 12-strings to combat the immense amount of tension asserted on their necks,"
Simple research should have told him that they have moved to a single truss rod with two carbon reinforcement rods along side it.
Of course, why quibble when it is, as I said, overall a nice review.
Brad

 

[jcwu]

Of course, why quibble when it is, as I said, overall a nice review.

Because if the review's going to get details wrong, why read the review? How do you know what's right and what's wrong?

 

[adorshki]

Of course, why quibble when it is, as I said, overall a nice review.

Because if the review's going to get details wrong, why read the review? How do you know what's right and what's wrong?

Absolutely. People are depending on that info to learn about the CURRENT specs. Although I think they might be right about a temporary stop in production in USA. Wasn't Tacoma shut down before New Hartford was actually making guitars? A technicality, but I think that might be true. Anybody got the accurate details?

 

[chazmo]

Yeah, Al, it's just plain misleading. You can't really point to a time when US Guilds were not being built unless there was actually such a period during the transition from Westerly to Corona (I'm not aware of that, but I don't know for sure). Certainly, I am sure that from Corona -> Tacoma, and then from Tacoma -> New Hartford, there was overlap and no cessation of production.

Certainly models definitely ceased and were restarted... Maybe that's what he means. Again, it's misleading.

Yeah, the statement about the truss rods is stale. I wonder why he thought to mention such a thing if he was basing his discussion on the current products.

Anyway, I can testify... The F-212XL Standard is a honey, and I'm glad the author likes the one he played. It's too bad the author didn't quite get that these Standard Series models are brand new and not exactly your daddy's Buick, if you know what I mean.

 

[adorshki]

Yeah, Al, it's just plain misleading. You can't really point to a time when US Guilds were not being built unless there was actually such a period during the transition from Westerly to Corona (I'm not aware of that, but I don't know for sure).

Thanks Chaz. I KNOW Corona was being tooled, and I'm pretty sure was actually "up and running" before Westerly shipped its last guitar. (My F65ce was shipped in Dec. '01, one of the last shipments but probably not THE last shipment. And not to be confused with the last guitar BUILT in Westerly, an AA owned by a member here and threaded before. Just for historical background)
Are you sure about the overlap of Tacoma and New Hartford, in terms of instruments actually being built, as opposed to the fact that there was always A US factory in existence although production might have seen temporary halts?
I thought I had gathered from reading here that Tacoma was already liquidating guitars before New Hartford was actually building any.

 

[chazmo]

Yeah, Al, it's just plain misleading. You can't really point to a time when US Guilds were not being built unless there was actually such a period during the transition from Westerly to Corona (I'm not aware of that, but I don't know for sure).

Thanks Chaz. I KNOW Corona was being tooled, and I'm pretty sure was actually "up and running" before Westerly shipped its last guitar. (My F65ce was shipped in Dec. '01, one of the last shipments but probably not THE last shipment. And not to be confused with the last guitar BUILT in Westerly, an AA owned by a member here and threaded before. Just for historical background)
Are you sure about the overlap of Tacoma and New Hartford, in terms of instruments actually being built, as opposed to the fact that there was always A US factory in existence although production might have seen temporary halts?
I thought I had gathered from reading here that Tacoma was already liquidating guitars before New Hartford was actually building any.

I think it's semantics, Al. New Hartford was building prototypes during 2008 and their first production D-55s were shown at NAMM in Jan 2009. Jan. 2009 is exactly when Tacoma was closed down. There's no gap to speak of.

 

[Bill Ashton]

Question as to the truss rods...

The F412 and 512 have the single-rod/dual graphite support system. The GAD's still have the dual truss rods. What does your have, Chaz?

 

[adorshki]

I think it's semantics, Al. New Hartford was building prototypes during 2008 and their first production D-55s were shown at NAMM in Jan 2009. Jan. 2009 is exactly when Tacoma was closed down. There's no gap to speak of.

Close enough for me.Thanks. I think I'll go whip out my "Imagine" songbook this weekend and play "All I Want Is Some Truth". In your honor. I been sayin' it enough recently, it's time to pull the ol' chestnut back out! :lol:

 

[Scratch]

I had a 2003 Corona D25 once. Just curious... Were they made there in 2002? I don't recall seeing a 2002 Guild, but there's a lot I don't recall these days... :roll:

 

[adorshki]

I had a 2003 Corona D25 once. Just curious... Were they made there in 2002? I don't recall seeing a 2002 Guild, but there's a lot I don't recall these days... :roll:

2002 would have been first year. They were definitely being built but I don't know when they actually started shipping.

 

[chazmo]

Question as to the truss rods...

The F412 and 512 have the single-rod/dual graphite support system. The GAD's still have the dual truss rods. What does your have, Chaz?

Bill, New Hartford is using the single, dual-action truss rod with flanking carbon rods on the 12-string models. As far as I know, they never built with dual rods. Tacoma actually made the change in the build before the transition to NH.