Finally Back From the Shop

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...confirms what I was telling you on PM Sandy.
I'm with West, I think you will quickly forget about how long you had to wait when you get it. It will amaze you. :wink:
 

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Firebird, was I the one who pointed you to Bill Tippin? Sorry, I can't remember. I've never met him, but I know I've mentioned him before as someone well known in Massachusetts. I do have a personal recommendation for you if you'd like... Pete Maricle has done some beautiful work on my guitars and another forum guy as well. PM me for details.

Just my $0.02 on the subject, folks... I don't really know the story in this case, and I'm totally talking out my patootie on this.... but I've never met a luthier who would intentionally put out a repair customer. There are plenty who would refuse to do a repair or take a new customer for many reasons, but "teaching a lesson" just doesn't jibe with my experience at all. These are some of the kindest/nicest people on the planet. I don't know if there's a one of them who's in it for the money or the fame, even a guy like Bill who who is a top-tier independent builder. Now, being too busy to get to a job; oh yeah, that I believe... I would presume that's what was going on here. Again, just talkin' out the blow hole....

My best wishes to all of you. Raj, damn.. I know all the hassle you've been through lately, and frankly I'm sorry to hear that you sent your guitar into Nashville as that seems you might not've known what you were getting into. Odds are you won't see that guitar for six months, minimum, man. Sorry. It'll be great when you get it back, but frankly these guys are not in a rush. I am hoping to hear that New Hartford opens some repair work up in the near future. Guild needs to do this to compete... Taylor, for example, will do things like this: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/foru ... p?t=193361 Taylor has completely raised/changed/created the bar here in supporting customers. I can't give them enough props on this subject. NH is capable of giving this level of service if Fender sees their way clear to do it (IMO).
 

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twocorgis said:
[ ... ]I never really had much of a frame of reference other than one bad Martin that I sold in the '80s. Now that I own some really nice guitars, I think I have a much better idea of what "good" really is. I'm afraid that the D50 will some back and I won't like it, and I can't even stand the thought of that. The two of us have been through far too much together.

We'll see.
Man, that's it in a nutshell, Sandy. Isn't it a wonderful, eye-opening experience when you play a new guitar and you just know what "right" is? I have heard some people say that as you continue up the ladder into hand-builts, etc., that jaw-dropping experience can continue, just seemingly on a smaller scale. Don't know if your Bourgeois fits that category, but it's nice to know there's headroom to keep exploring and enjoying (though I probably won't end up in that realm). I've often spoken of that experience of getting blown away by something in the store as a truly remarkable thing. It's happened to me several times.
 

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Chazmo said:
twocorgis said:
[ ... ]I never really had much of a frame of reference other than one bad Martin that I sold in the '80s. Now that I own some really nice guitars, I think I have a much better idea of what "good" really is. I'm afraid that the D50 will some back and I won't like it, and I can't even stand the thought of that. The two of us have been through far too much together.

We'll see.
Man, that's it in a nutshell, Sandy. Isn't it a wonderful, eye-opening experience when you play a new guitar and you just know what "right" is? I have heard some people say that as you continue up the ladder into hand-builts, etc., that jaw-dropping experience can continue, just seemingly on a smaller scale. Don't know if your Bourgeois fits that category, but it's nice to know there's headroom to keep exploring and enjoying (though I probably won't end up in that realm). I've often spoken of that experience of getting blown away by something in the store as a truly remarkable thing. It's happened to me several times.

Indeed it is Chaz. When I got the Martin D18DC my luthier and I agreed that guitars really can't get much better, though the D18 Authentic at the local Guitar Center (almost $7k MAP; has been on clearance for $4k forever now) is marginally better. I love the Martin, and it's very pretty too, without being overly blingy. I was unprepared for how good the Bourgeois would be, as IMO it's that much better than both the Martins. Now I won't ever pay more than $2000 for a guitar, and it makes me wonder if the real high end guitars like Froggy Bottom, Ryan, and Olson can really be that much better. How could that Olson that's James Taylor's main rig be worth $15k? Sooner or later you've got to reach the pinnacle of what an acoustic guitar is capable of, although I guess if you're that wealthy (like CPABolting over at AGF; seen his sig?) it's all relative.

One thing that I have learned through all of this is that when it comes to sound in an acoustic, light weight is just about everything. It's the minimalist bracing schemes on both the Martin and the Bourgeois that give it such an alive sound (the Bourgeois keeps ringing for quite some time after you stop playing it), and light weight is something that Guild seems to be obsessed with as of late. How many times did Darren mention weight savings during the tour at LMG? Almost as many times as he mentioned Collings! My Collings is a really nice guitar too, but the Martin and the Bourgeois have taught me that I really like Mahogany better.

When the D50 comes back I'm going to take a good long look at the herd, and make some adjustments. Hopefully things will improve with the guitar market, as it's awful tough to sell them these days (as you know). I can say for sure that the D50 and the F50R aren't going anywhere regardless, along with the Bourgeois. All bets are off when it comes to the rest of them, though I will keep my old P-Bass (owned that even longer than the D50) and the Pilot Bass too. I may have to wait out this economic downturn, however.
 

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Chazmo said:
Pete Maricle has done some beautiful work on my guitars and another forum guy as well. PM me for details.
Just my $0.02 on the subject, folks... I don't really know the story in this case, and I'm totally talking out my patootie on this.... but I've never met a luthier who would intentionally put out a repair customer.
I agree with you Chaz. There's just to many reasons it doesn't make sense for a merchant to give poor service on purpose. Just the wasted time covering for the poor service easily translates to a net negative income on a job.
Just to add another ref to the list out here on the west coast/SF Bay Area: Keith Holland of Keith Holland's Guitars in Los Gatos CA has done work for both JCWu and myself. In my case a complete refret of the D25 with which I'm more than 100% happy. JC also mentioned recently that Keith donated repair time to a church guitar, which absolutely deserves an honorable mention. 8)
 
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