Guild George Barnes Guitar in F on ebay......

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Hans,

Take a look at this! What I don't understand is (1) why did some genius change out the original tuners on this guitar..........crapo! and (2) why is the serial number on the back of the headstock offset?; What do you think this guitar will bring? First time ever seeing one save for that photo of George Benson playing one years ago..........jim in Maine

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 97.c0.m619
 

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jimmyl51 said:
(1) why did some genius change out the original tuners on this guitar.
Probably for the same reason a lot of people did in the 60s, the Grovers were probably an upgrade, or at least thought of as an upgrade, over whatever were the originals. Who knew it would ruin the value as a collectible!
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Just for the heck of it I e-mailed the seller..........a pawn shop in Phili to see if by chance the original tuners might be in the case pocket. Of course they were not ie long gone. Oh well..........jim in Maine
 

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Kewl guitar!!! Usually the pickups are affixed to the top on the guitars in f (if my memory is correct).

If one of you guys gets it, bring it to the Arlington show, I'd like to see it!!

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How ya doin, Harry!
What's the scale on that, 22"?

And where is this "Philli" place? Is it anywhere near Philly? If somebody is interested, I could drop by for a looksee.
 

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Ok, I remember this guy. He had a freshman/Guild amp set a while back. Huntingdon valley is roughly 5 minutes from my house, if I'm not in a hurry.
 

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The pickups are affixed to a wooden bar which runs under the top of the guitar. Same way the pickups are mounted in my 17" George Barnes Acousti-Lectric. jim
 

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FYI, I emailed the seller to see if he would let me know what reserve was. $5000.00 was the response. I lost my interest.
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Yeah as the stock market continues to tank maybe Timothy Geithner will buy it. Not the time to sell expensive guitars at the moment. jim
 

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That's funny - the first time he posted the guitar I asked about his reserve - at that time it was 1400...I'm sure he got plenty of emails which changed his mind to 5k - more power to him...
 

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How ya doin, Harry!
What's the scale on that, 22"?

And where is this "Philli" place? Is it anywhere near Philly? If somebody is interested, I could drop by for a looksee.

I'm doin' fine, buddy, just tryin' to get my daughter through two more years of college and then I'll be back to collecting some more guitars again (I hope!).

As for the scale length. I never played the guitar in F, just the 'regular-sized' sunburst 17" Acousti-Lectric I owned for about a year in '78-'79. Hans' book says 22 3/4".

Later, amigo. HH
 

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Harry,

So you owned a 17" Acousti-Lectric back a number of years ago? I was lucky enough to pick up the same guitar about 15 years ago when I lived in California. I have the guitar with me at the moment here in Maine. By chance do you still have the serial number of it? I would assume that it was a sunburst finish? Do you remember who you sold it to? Thanks! jim in Maine
 

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Harry,

So you owned a 17" Acousti-Lectric back a number of years ago? I was lucky enough to pick up the same guitar about 15 years ago when I lived in California. I have the guitar with me at the moment here in Maine. By chance do you still have the serial number of it? I would assume that it was a sunburst finish? Do you remember who you sold it to? Thanks! jim in Maine

Jim, I do remember who I sold it to, but don't like to post some one else's name on the internet (I'll give you the name in a PM, as long as it doesn't go public). I don't have any pics (too broke to own a camera back then, no TV either), nor do I have the serial number.

I bought it at Sam Ash music in the late '70's, after the musician George Barnes passed away in '77. They had it in the window of their 48th street store and it was staring at me. The guys in the store said it had been traded in by a player from Spain who played with a big-time Spanish singer, the Tom Jones of Spain (their words, not mine).

I literally bought it for my old music teacher, who had been a student of George's. We had lost touch several years before, but I knew if I could get a hold of him, he'd probably want it. So I bought it, put the word out, and caught up with him six or nine months later. He did want it and traded me two late '70's ES-175s for it (a fair trade at the time, although I hated those particular guitars).

In a word, it was a great guitar. I loved the Barnes, but wasn't enough of a jazz player to make it work for me. Back then, my repetoire was Rock and Fake Jazz. I needed the extra-cutting power of the Gibson humbuckers to get, not only 'my sound', but 'any sound' I could live with. Knowing what I know now about pickup height adjustment, I'm sure I could make a Barnes work these days :oops:

That guitar had the clearest voice of any archtop I've ever had. The overtones would come out so well, you could incorporate them into the song. It was wonderful guitar, but just not something I could use.

My teacher said the guitar was better over-all than George's personal guitar, had a more even voice, etc. As well, George's Geo. Barnes Acousti-lectric was hard to play, but that's because it suited George's style to have it set up that way, not because it was a bad guitar. George's guitar had more cutting power, too. George's guitar had a wonderful piece of aged spruce for the top, so I don't know if George's axe sounded the way it did because of the top or because he was smarter at getting his pickups adjusted than your Humble Servant. It might have been because he was a wonderful musician, come to think of it!

Jim, the only other thing I remember right now about the guitar is the three-color sunburst finish. It was very shiny, very clean. The red part of the burst, as it shaded into to the yellow, was a little grainy; you could see tiny, discrete little dots of red. Kind of different from the bursts I was used to looking at back then.

PM if you want to try and figure out more about who owned the guitar (after I did) and who he sold it to, etc. I know my teacher ended up in California, but I don't know if he sold the guitar before he moved to the Land of Milk and Honey or afterwards.

All the best, Harry
 

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He relisted it at a Buy It Now of $5000............yeah right. jim
 

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I went down to the pawn shop on South St. and checked out this guitar. The positives are that it has no cracks, the bindings are tight and it has a wonderful finish. It has dings and scratches. The finish is worn on the back. The finish also has crazing that is a little more than you would expect just from aging. The finish is bright. I don't think it was played very much and likely just stored away. It reminds me of my Aristocrat with just a thicker body. The neck feels short. I think the guitar was "upgraded" by installing the Grovers and an adjustable bridge that did not look original to me but I could be wrong. The pickups are right for the period but I wish I had a detailed photo of one of these I could refer to. If you wanted to make this guitar original, I think it might only require installing the original machines and maybe a new bridge. Since I would expect to buy an Aristocrat in better condition for $5,000, this asking price seems high. My guess is that this guitar will sell for $4K plus or minus $300. It is a rare bird and I have never seen one for sale before.
 
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