Hullabaguild sighting

[AcornHouse]

Flipping channels during commercials, I visited one of my PBS channels, who was showing a pledge special about the old Hullabaloo show. The clip was the Lovin Spoonful and front and center was a Guild Starfire bass and a Thunderbird.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZI8biFsn8

Cool, cool.

 

[walrus]

Great song! Gotta love those old 60's "sets" that every band seemed to have - lots of cardboard cutouts, weird shapes, etc.

walrus

 

[Sal]

Very Cool! I was thinking at first that it was actually recorded live but then I noticed the guitars weren't plugged in! Would they have done a live vocal over a music track in '65?

Here's a fun live version of Do You Believe In Magic where the band stumbles through the intro then starts over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Aq6G2UoFU&feature=fvwp&NR=1

 

[AcornHouse]

Very Cool! I was thinking at first that it was actually recorded live but then I noticed the guitars weren't plugged in! Would they have done a live vocal over a music track in '65?

Daltrey has said that it was normal for the instrumental to be recorded, but the vocals,we're live. If you want some real fun, watch Keith Moon during the early TV appearances. He doesn't even try to pretend. :lol:

 

[The Guilds of Grot]

The clip was the Lovin Spoonful and front and center was a Guild Starfire bass and a Thunderbird.

Unfortunately Zal replaced the "Anti-hum" pick-ups in his Thunderbird with Gibson humbuckers. He was nice enough to write a forward for Hans' book though!

Very Cool! I was thinking at first that it was actually recorded live but then I noticed the guitars weren't plugged in! Would they have done a live vocal over a music track in '65?

That's interesting about the live vocals, I always thought that all of the "live" performances back then on shows like American Bandstand and Hullabaloo were totally lip synced even on the later years of Ed Sullivan. At least to my ear they sound just like the recordings

Here's a fun live version of Do You Believe In Magic where the band stumbles through the intro then starts over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Aq6G2UoFU&feature=fvwp&NR=1

Nice to see that even the "Pro's" take a mulligan one in a while!

 

[dougdnh]

Yeah, unfortunately a lot of the old tv performances were lip-sync'd or at least partially pre-recorded. One of the exceptions was Shindig, which I believe did everything live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIAl4c2gslc

Is that a Starfire III in the Kingsmen Louie Louie clip?

 

[The Guilds of Grot]

One of the exceptions was Shindig, which I believe did everything live.

Not to be an A-hole but I would have to question that.

While the version of Louie, Louie is not the original recording, (this song is 1:37 long and the original is 2:46) it doesn't look live to me. Yes there are cords but there are no visible amps unless they're behind the curtain. There's also no monitor for the singer to hear himself. This very well could be a case of "karaoke" where they sing to a per-recorded track. It also looked like the drummer missed a snare fill. Also hard to believe is that the guitarist could dance around that much and play the lead break as solid as he did. Then again, maybe he was well rehearsed at it! (I know I can't do that on bass as I proved last Saturday night at our NIGHT SHIFT gig when I jumped out on the dance floor to join the dancers! )

I would think that Roy Head must have been completely per-recorded track or at the least singing "karaoke". His song is 1:38 long and the original is 2:07. There was no band and they couldn't have been behind the curtain as they were doing the "shadow dancers" with the curtain. I would also have to question whether he can dance around that much and still sing that good. That's why all the "modern dance show" acts lip sync. And lastly, although it's off screen, it looked like he had already put the mic down on the floor before he sang the last "Hep!".

The last band that sang Good Lovin' looked a little suspicious because only the lead singer in the band had a microphone. The other three gents didn't. I don't see how you would ever hear them without a mic especially if the band was really playing live! Interesting that the back-up singers in the rear had a mic in front of them though.

Is that a Starfire III in the Kingsmen Louie Louie clip?

Looks to be a Starfire II because of the harp tail piece instead of a Guildsby. Screen capture from YouTube;

Here's another photo;

EDIT: (Should have done this first before posting. ) Shindig! Well it turns out they did have a house band and some of the singing was live. (I still stand on my observations about the above video though.)

 

[dougdnh]

Hmmm - I always assumed that Shindig was all live, but you may have something. Here's what I found on a website:

"In recent years it's been revealed that the backing music and many of the vocals were pre-recorded. The music and vocal tracks were recorded a day or two before the episode was videotaped. To make sure that these "mimed" performances looked live, the performers rehearsed numerous times."

However, all in all Shindig was probably the best 'live' music show of that era. The only time I ever saw a live performance on American Bandstand was Jerry lee Lewis. Rumor has it he didn't like to lip sync.

ps: I believe that was a very young Billy Preston on keyboard on the Olympics Good Lovin'.

 

[AcornHouse]

The clip was the Lovin Spoonful and front and center was a Guild Starfire bass and a Thunderbird.

Unfortunately Zal replaced the "Anti-hum" pick-ups in his Thunderbird with Gibson humbuckers. He was nice enough to write a forward for Hans' book though!

They look like the original Guild pups in this video, at least. We don't get a good closeup, but to my eye, it looks like they have the telltale raised areas of the Guild mini-hums.

 

[The Guilds of Grot]

The clip was the Lovin Spoonful and front and center was a Guild Starfire bass and a Thunderbird.

Unfortunately Zal replaced the "Anti-hum" pick-ups in his Thunderbird with Gibson humbuckers. He was nice enough to write a forward for Hans' book though!

They look like the original Guild pups in this video, at least. We don't get a good closeup, but to my eye, it looks like they have the telltale raised areas of the Guild mini-hums.

Yes I agree about the video. It looks like he hadn't changed them yet.

In the forward he wrote for Hans' book Zal say's: "Sometime around 1965 I had Dan Armstrong, in New York City, put some Gibson humbuckers on it, cause at that time I needed the extra power; not such a good idea in retrospect.

(I'd scan and post the page but I don't have Hans' permission to post his copyrighted material.)


In this photo it looks like he has the Gibson pick-ups;

 

[kitniyatran]

I had the Hullabaloo PBS fund raiser on most of its airtime here, & someone of the interviewees who'd been on said they rehearsed a few days, then performed live. Whether we should believe that may be another matter. Most of the UTub clips of shows of that ilk look lip-synched & instrument pretended.

 

[adorshki]

I had the Hullabaloo PBS fund raiser on most of its airtime here, & someone of the interviewees who'd been on said they rehearsed a few days, then performed live. Whether we should believe that may be another matter. Most of the UTub clips of shows of that ilk look lip-synched & instrument pretended.

As long as my bubblegum's fresh and my idols are cute I'm ok with that.
I never even noticed.