I finally did it... German guy gets Höfner'd

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For years I've felt like I should maybe pick up a Höfner bass. Not just because I too am of German design just like their instruments, but I've long appreciated good ol' Paul's tone on the Beatles recordings. I also like to use a pick and palm-mute sometimes (especially when playing folk/country type stuff along with acoustic guitar players) and those Höfner pickups paired with the floating wood bridge are such a good combo in that context. The problem for me was always the tiny bodies of the Violin basses (and even the Club basses) were too small for me when playing sitting down. My lanky stature makes me slouch over small basses like that. So having ruled out the two most common Höfner designs, the Verythin model caught my eye; super sleek and Starfire-esque. The problem is, it's hard enough to find a Höfner in a store to play, let alone any of their less-common models. Just the other day though, I came across a good price on a "Contemporary Series" Verythin bass, hardshell case included. The perfect opportunity to give one a try.

It arrived yesterday and I figured it might be fun to do a comparison thread between the Verythin and the Starfire, given the obvious and not-so-obvious similarities. Also worth noting is that our very own JP has a Höfner Club bass that has been mentioned in bass discussions on LTG.

Right off the bat, when I received the box, I was worried that there was no way this bass could be inside of a hardshell case (as had been promised) inside of this slim and relatively small Fender shipping box... surprisingly it was! Since the bass itself is so... well... ya know... very thin... the form-fitted hardshell case is surprisingly small. I would have appreciated a larger box to accommodate more than the negligible amount of packing material inside the box, but luckily it made the journey safely from CA to FL. When I pulled the case out, I also heard the dreaded metallic clang and rattle inside. Luckily no damage from that either but it was a truss wrench (that's too big to fit this bass!) and case-keys floating around, loose inside the case.

The Contemporary Series basses are imports, but they differ physically and cost a bit more than the "entry level" Icon/Ignition series. I should mention, I played an Icon/Ignition Club bass once and aside from the physical issue of the size I encounter, it was a great sounding bass and good value for the money.

The main difference with the Contemporary basses is that they get center-blocks to combat feedback, but also German Höfner pickups. So not only is the double-cut design similar to a Starfire, there is also a solid center block making it a semi-hollow like the Starfire. The scale is slightly shorter with the Höfner clocking in at an even 30". Nut width is 1.65" and though I didn't measure the bridge spacing, there is virtually no taper of string spread from bridge to nut. The most notable physical difference between the Verythin and the Starfire though, can be seen in the second photo. Both the body and neck are way thinner from front to back. So far, the bass is very comfortable to play and my only complaint is that the frets could use a little bit of leveling, but nothing major. Still sets up and plays quite well.
Sound-wise these two basses are obviously quite different. The Verythin is pretty much spot on McCartney, even though his lil' Violin basses are fully hollow. Those staple humbuckers are noiseless as expected and have that nice wooly punch. Not muddy like many vintage neck-position humbuckers can be, but certainly not airy and crisp like a Bisonic single coil.

I'm not yet committed to keeping it long-term, but if I do keep it, most likely my Casady/Newport hybrid will go on the block. I promised my wife I'd keep the collection to containable-within-the-music-room and the cases are gradually approaching the door...

So far it's a fun little bass, but the new flats on it still need to break in, gotta give these frets a little bit of lovin, and log some time with this bass in the band context.

Anyway, I figured this might be useful to Starfire fans that might be looking for a little different flavor to add to their stable, while still staying within the semi-hollow, short-scale family.

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Neck volute is a plus (IMHO): I don't see why everybody doesn't do that to beef up an obvious weak point. I even like the way they look. Gibson did it for awhile during the 1970s, but then discontinued the practice in pretty short order.

Is the bridge on your Hofner pinned or a floater?

MIK or MIC?

String spacing @ saddles looks almost narrower than the Guild, but that might just be my vivid imagination.

Enjoy your new toy!
 

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I believe these are made in Indonesia, but again, with German electronics -- kind of how G&L's import Tribute instruments still get USA pickups and hardware.
The bridge is a floater, which is necessary here since there is no saddle-intonation other than moving the bridge. It is surprisingly accurate! The string spacing on all Hofner basses with the traditional bridge is supposed to be 14mm. So yes, narrower than the Guild! As mentioned though, that's the same spacing at the up at the 0-fret/nut!
 

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I completely forgot to mention, this little set of goodies was included in the case compartment! (Along with a factory sealed PRS Tremolo bar) o_O
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Neck volute is a plus (IMHO): I don't see why everybody doesn't do that to beef up an obvious weak point. I even like the way they look. Gibson did it for awhile during the 1970s, but then discontinued the practice in pretty short order.
Page 42 of The Book states it was discontinued around 1970 "because it didn't necessarily help against neck injuries". Gibson apparently went back to using it anyway.
 

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That sucker is super thin, MG. Wow. That might be the thinnest hollow-body I've ever seen!

Did Paul play any Hofners like this one or were they all the violin-shaped models.
 

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Not to derail the main topic, but here are PICs of the strongest Gibson neck I've ever owned. Circa 1973, 3-piece maple with a volute:

 

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That sucker is super thin, MG. Wow. That might be the thinnest hollow-body I've ever seen!

Did Paul play any Hofners like this one or were they all the violin-shaped models.

Paul was famous for playing the Violin basses, but I'm pretty sure he played a Club bass and maybe even a President bass (the big jazz-box looking one) at some early point too... but don't quote me on that! I've never seen or heard anything about him playing a Verythin bass, but who knows! We'll have to wait for somebody who's a bigger Beatles fan than I am to come along. Can't deny the fact that they were a great band, but I never got quite as excited about anything they did like I do about the likes of Jefferson Airplane or the Grateful Dead. Of course, they are very different bands and I'm sure many have the exact opposite opinion/preference.

Not to derail the main topic, but here are PICs of the strongest Gibson neck I've ever owned. Circa 1973, 3-piece maple with a volute:

I had a 1973 Les Paul Triumph bass that had a big volute as well. Mahogany neck on that one though, so I'm sure it was a good thing that it was there. In terms of looks or playability I've never really had an opinion on volutes... feels, looks, and plays just fine either way, as far as I'm concerned. That said, I can't imagine it not being effective in terms of reinforcing stability.
 

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Now that is an interesting looking beast! According to the article: "a cheap Solid 7 model with three piano strings"!
 

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Thanks for the write up, mellow. Interesting bass. I like the sleek thin look. Cool headstock shape, too.
By “wooly” tone, do you mean that “My Love” by Wings tone? That’s what I am imagining.
But how can you even think of returning it without trying Bisonics with Alembic electronics on it🤣🤣😉😉
 

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Thanks for the write up, mellow. Interesting bass. I like the sleek thin look. Cool headstock shape, too.
By “wooly” tone, do you mean that “My Love” by Wings tone? That’s what I am imagining.
But how can you even think of returning it without trying Bisonics with Alembic electronics on it🤣🤣😉😉

Precisely! It does "Come Together" very well too. I currently have a set of Fender flatwounds on it, that are still pretty new and somewhat annoyingly bright. I need more time with the bass to determine if it deserves a set of my coveted NOS Maxima flatwounds...

And please don't invoke Edward Hyde with any such ideas!! Though in all honesty I would say that my Starfire has the Bisonic bases covered and my Gibson provides all the cosmic filtration I'm after. The German Staples were ultimately the deciding factor for adding this one to my stable... that said... there sure is a WHOLE LOT OF SPACE in between them :devilish: Just kidding. I promise not to till the Verythin earth... even if it looks oh so fertile.

Quickly circling back to "My Love" (a perfect opportunity for a Friday morning veer) have you heard this version?

 

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Just seeing this thread mellowG. Welcome to the Höfner Club! I'm a part of the Höfner Club Club, and it's been my main bass forever, as you may have read here over the years.

I adore my '65 Club Bass to death. I like the smaller size and weight which suits me better, as well as the woody thump and short scale lows. I'm currently having the pickups repaired/rewound after I discovered an output drop.

I've never tried a Verithin, but I've always been really curious about them. It's cool that you can get the 500/1 tones on them, which must be due to the same pickups. I never knew they sounded so similar to the 500/1 and 500/2.
 

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Just seeing this thread mellowG. Welcome to the Höfner Club! I'm a part of the Höfner Club Club, and it's been my main bass forever, as you may have read here over the years.

I adore my '65 Club Bass to death. I like the smaller size and weight which suits me better, as well as the woody thump and short scale lows. I'm currently having the pickups repaired/rewound after I discovered an output drop.

I've never tried a Verithin, but I've always been really curious about them. It's cool that you can get the 500/1 tones on them, which must be due to the same pickups. I never knew they sounded so similar to the 500/1 and 500/2.

I was always curious about the Club basses, as they look to be a little bigger than the Violin style and I think the body shape just looks nicer too. Would love to take a vintage one for a spin some day! So far the only German Höfner I've ever played was a Violin-style model at a vintage shop. As expected, I enjoyed the tone and the feel of the neck, but I found the body uncomfortable. I was intrigued by the President model until I read numerous reviews of the feedback issues that big deep hollowbody encounters. Once I saw the Verythin though, I knew I had to try one eventually.

Quick update regarding mine, I wasn't thrilled with the tone of the new Fender flatwounds I installed on it, as they had a quite metallic hollow quality to the sound (not in a good woody hollowbody sort of way). I imagine this would improve over time as the strings break in, but since my Starfires and recently my Gibson have been getting most of my attention, this break-in period would potentially take months. So I had the idea to try a well-broken-in set of DR Legend flatwounds on it, that I had taken off of my Starfire last year. The DR's sound absolutely perfect and the bass needed only minimal adjustments to set up very nicely with these. The silks had to be trimmed at the nut, even a little more than when they were on the Starfire, but still not getting to the tapered part of the winding.
 
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