I'll never Heil again!!

[CA-35]

Wow uh? A lot of interesting points raised in the above comments.

I guess we are all old crotchety men, or, maybe we covet certain imprints that we were first exposed to in our minds and that's where we have all set the bar. For instance in my mind there will never be another Three Stooges. Just like there will never be another Johnny Quest cartoon with Race Bannon, Hadji and Bandit. The original Mission Impossible is it, the new ones with Tom Cruise are entertaining, but to use Jesse Winchester's lyrics they "just don't deliver the punch that this old head needs." Remaking "Enter the Dragon" without Bruce Lee is sacrilege. Sean Connery is, and will be, the ONLY James Bond.

Now this doesn't necessarily mean that the "newcomers" are bad. They are just not what we want to see. :shock:

 

[rws11]

Those that do the remakes are playing to an audience that most likely hasn't seen the original. They don't know the difference. Sad. Leave well enough alone? Did Ted Turner enhance "It's A Wonderful Life" by colorizing it? I think not.

 

[killdeer43]

Sean Connery is, and will be, the ONLY James Bond.

No doubt about the Sean Connery sentiment. I mean, Roger Moore, Pierce Brosnan.....gimme a freakin' break!

And while we're at it, as much as I like Steve Martin, Phil Silvers will always be the ONLY Sgt. Bilko! Talk about breaking the mold! :wink:

Joe

 

[adorshki]

Wow uh? A lot of interesting points raised in the above comments.

I guess we are all old crotchety men, or, maybe we covet certain imprints that we were first exposed to in our minds and that's where we have all set the bar.[

I'm inclined to suspect there are several very large kernels of truth in that.

Now this doesn't necessarily mean that the "newcomers" are bad. They are just not what we want to see. :shock:

Nah. The newcomers suck. :lol: (just kiddin')
We do judge them to a differrent standard however. In some case they will cause new viewers to understand the strengths of the originals. My girlfriend for example, didn't know about Sean Connery as James Bond 'till I introduced her to the classics. Now she turns her nose up at a couple of the later versions.
Speaking of Bonds I just realized, I gotta admit Daniel Craig is magnificent in "Casino Royale" and finally captures the pain Fleming tried to descibe in "Majesty's Secret Service" when his wife was assasinated..even though the plot line itself bears absolutely no resemblance to the original Flerming title... :? Prior to that the best faithful representation of Fleming's Bond was the deah duel in the train car in "From Russia With Love".
Eddie Vedder on "Hide your Love Away?" Yep, a great artist can remake something in their own mold and make it work.

 

[jcwu]

Those that do the remakes are playing to an audience that most likely hasn't seen the original.

I think you've hit the nail on the head! It's a brand new market out there, they haven't a clue what the original was like so they have nothing to compare to, they're the ones blowing good money on entertainment while we old (although I'm not quite old geezer status yet) folks poo-poo these new-comers, and the kids have no idea what we're talking about. But the studios don't care, because hey, the kids are paying good money.

For example, I liked the new Spiderman franchise because I didn't grow up on the old stuff. I liked U2's Achtung Baby because I wasn't indoctrinated on Rattle and Hum, Joshua Tree, or War (although I went back later and fell in love with the rest of the catalog). I liked Pearl Jam's first two albums - after Vs, I really lost interest in the new stuff. I had an image in my mind of what Pearl Jam was, and the new stuff didn't fit it.

The way I see it, as long as there's money to be made, someone will do what they need to do to make that money.

 

[rws11]

Those that do the remakes are playing to an audience that most likely hasn't seen the original.

I think you've hit the nail on the head! The way I see it, as long as there's money to be made, someone will do what they need to do to make that money.

I think you're swinging the same hammer my friend. It is about the bottom line, after all.

 

[adorshki]

Those that do the remakes are playing to an audience that most likely hasn't seen the original.

I think you've hit the nail on the head! It's a brand new market out there, they haven't a clue what the original was like so they have nothing to compare to, they're the ones blowing good money on entertainment while we old (although I'm not quite old geezer status yet) folks poo-poo these new-comers, and the kids have no idea what we're talking about. But the studios don't care, because hey, the kids are paying good money.

Well after all, they are in the "entertainment business", I can't fault 'em for that. And in fairness the new market has different expectations about production standards, particularly with regard to CGI type special effects. Even so, as they become "educated", this still happens:

I liked U2's Achtung Baby because I wasn't indoctrinated on Rattle and Hum, Joshua Tree, or War (although I went back later and fell in love with the rest of the catalog)

Just a reiteration of the fact that sometimes the "new stuff" actually makes new fans of "the old stuff".
Continuing on the Bond analogy, I'm remembering one the things I liked about the first 3 Bonds (and Goldfinger to a slighty lesser extent) was that the gadgetry hadn't "taken over" yet, it was all pretty credible and based on known existing technology. It was more about the characters than the gadgets. Thunderball was kind of a turning point with the underwater battle scene, and by "You Only Live Twice" the little armed mini-helicopter and the space-capsule hi-jacking rocket were mere parodies.
So one if the things I lke so much about Daniel Craig's "Casino Royale" is that it goes ALL the way back to the roots, it's about Bond's human weaknesses and even loss, not at all about the gadgets. Bond is human again. 8)

 

[CajunBlues]

They will never even come close to the artistry of the REAL Three Stooges.

Sorry but I just can't see the Three Stooges as artistry.... I mean really...

 

[CajunBlues]

As a geezer, I must agree!

I think statement sums up the entire thread... hating a remake simply because its a remake is a geezer attitude...

Here is something I think you all can flame me with....

I loved the remake of True Grit... better than the original... and although I don't think its better than Queens version I absolutely love Pink's version of Bohemian Rhapsody... If you actually know who Pink is...

 

[adorshki]

They will never even come close to the artistry of the REAL Three Stooges.

Sorry but I just can't see the Three Stooges as artistry.... I mean really...

It's so tempting to kick off a "You can't be serious..XXX was the best XXXer there ever was...''' type of response, but ya know what, it just goes to show what wide range of tastes we got here.
Good thing too.
8)

 

[CA-35]

They will never even come close to the artistry of the REAL Three Stooges.

Sorry but I just can't see the Three Stooges as artistry.... I mean really...

Open your mind, really. Acting is art. Comedy is art. Not only were the Stooges great actors, their delivery was uncanny. And to quote Moe "Wake up and go back to sleep."

Here is something I think you all can flame me with....
I loved the remake of True Grit... better than the original... and although I don't think its better than Queens version I absolutely love Pink's version of Bohemian Rhapsody... If you actually know who Pink is...

Marion Mitchell Morrison and Farrokh Bulsara are rolling in their graves and I'm rolling on the floor!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah I know who Pink is, however in 4 years nobody will remember her and Queen's music will live on and on and on.

 

[fronobulax]

I'm hard pressed to remember a thread where folks expressed opposing opinions on the same artist that didn't eventually end up in the toilet.

Chill please and make a distinction between the merits of the artist and someone's opinion about the artist..

 

[FNG]

They will never even come close to the artistry of the REAL Three Stooges.

Sorry but I just can't see the Three Stooges as artistry.... I mean really...

Oh..a wise guy. :lol:

 

[walrus]

Just to respond to Cajun's comment of my post - Actually, I have listened to any remake of a Beatles tune I can find, and enjoy some of them immensely. Just not the ones we were talking about. I don't hate them simply because they are a remake - its just that most remakes suck.

Perhaps my favorite of all time is Elton John's version of "Lucy" - great stuff, and possibly better than the original (did I really say that???).

I am looking forward the the Stooges movie - I hope that I love it!

walrus

 

[FNG]

The new Stooge movie actually got good reviews in USA Today this morning. Said it was pretty funny.

 

[walrus]

I saw it today! I took my son and we both enjoyed it. Very true to the original shorts (its broken into three parts), and a very good storyline. All the classic physical comedy is there, and seeing them deal with today's world is pretty funny.

Don't be afraid to see it!

walrus