Is Pentax the Guild of the camera world?

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Spotmatics are worth that much until you try to sell yours. Then you are lucky to get a third of that price. I know from experience.
Yes, most of the sold ones on eBay are $50-$75, body only. The higher priced ones have lenses, some probably more valuable than the camera itself.
Interestingly, the K1000 sold prices are often higher than the Spotmatic.
 

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Mine stopped once, but cleaned all the contacts

AFIK, this was the only model ever made.
Minolta made two different 110 film SLRs but both had fixed mount zoom lenses. I found that out because I thought Fuji had made one so I googled it. Fuji made a 110 with a zoom but it wasn’t an SLR.
I really wanted one of those Pentax 110 SLRs back in the day.
 

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Minolta made two different 110 film SLRs but both had fixed mount zoom lenses. I found that out because I thought Fuji had made one so I googled it. Fuji made a 110 with a zoom but it wasn’t an SLR.
I really wanted one of those Pentax 110 SLRs back in the day.
Yes, rare indeed! Brad, maybe David wants yours!!! :D :D
 

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Interestingly, the K1000 sold prices are often higher than the Spotmatic.

That's because the K1000 is the darling of the film crowd these days. I've been reading that Pentax is going to introduce a new film camera soon. Not an SLR but a point and shoot.
 

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That's because the K1000 is the darling of the film crowd these days. I've been reading that Pentax is going to introduce a new film camera soon. Not an SLR but a point and shoot.
Probably because it's easy to use. not a lot of bells and whistles.
Yes they had a showcase in Japan this summer, with a new film camera prototype, but kept in a clear case and wrapped up, so no real pictures of what it will look like if it goes into production.
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Probably because it's easy to use. not a lot of bells and whistles.
Yes they had a showcase in Japan this summer, with a new film camera prototype, but kept in a clear case and wrapped up, so no real pictures of what it will look like if it goes into production.
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Nice deep fake of a new Pentax box! :D :D
 

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I had a couple of nice Nikons back in the day. I really enjoyed photography until the digital world happened. Lost all interest (why, I'm still not sure -- maybe connected to the fact that I moved away from electric guitars and the new-fangled amps. ( I do have my 1965 starfire which just sits in a closet along with a Strat; I do play my X175 through a small Fener Pro Junior). Sad to think of all the really nice cameras sitting around in one form of graveyard or another. And I'll save my thoughts on photo shopping for the ROTD thread sometime. "Photo Shopping" used to involve chemicals and a dark room and talent.
 

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I had a couple of nice Nikons back in the day. I really enjoyed photography until the digital world happened. Lost all interest (why, I'm still not sure -- maybe connected to the fact that I moved away from electric guitars and the new-fangled amps. ( I do have my 1965 starfire which just sits in a closet along with a Strat; I do play my X175 through a small Fener Pro Junior). Sad to think of all the really nice cameras sitting around in one form of graveyard or another. And I'll save my thoughts on photo shopping for the ROTD thread sometime. "Photo Shopping" used to involve chemicals and a dark room and talent.

Think of digital photography as efficiency. I can take, view, edit, and publish photos in 1/100th the time I could with film.

I do find it interesting that there is a resurgence of film for movies. I recently say Oppenheimer on 70mm Imax and even took the train into NYC to do so.

Anyway, I think there's room for both.
 

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I don't know what it means, but Disney+ offers a bunch of movies with "IMAX" enhancement and on my 70" UHD TV it expands the picture to fill the entire screen and makes a really beautiful scene. Clearly the aspect ratio is designed for modern TVs... I don't know what the process is with digital movies -- clearly it's not a film process.

I did not know that real film was making a comeback, especially for movies.
 

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I don't know what it means, but Disney+ offers a bunch of movies with "IMAX" enhancement and on my 70" UHD TV it expands the picture to fill the entire screen and makes a really beautiful scene. Clearly the aspect ratio is designed for modern TVs... I don't know what the process is with digital movies -- clearly it's not a film process.

I did not know that real film was making a comeback, especially for movies.

IMAX has come to mean a couple of things, which is dumb, but here we are. :)

Movies are shot at whatever aspect ratio the director seems to like, and there are a lot of them. 16x9 is a nice compromise for most of them, but some movies are in an ultra-wide format so you get black bars on the screen.

Real IMAX (and there's a lot of IMAX that isn't "real" - again marketing) is shot on film and 70mm IMAX uses the film sideways so the aspect ration on a 65mm or 70mm print is actually surprisingly close to what TVs used to be.

Old CRT TVs - 1.3:1 (also classic 35mm) (4x3)
IMAX - 1.43:1
35mm photographic film (full frame) - 1.5:1 (3x2)
HDTV - 1.7:1 (16x9)
Common US Cinema - 1.85:1
Common widescreen cinema standard - 2.35:1

And there are a whole pile I've left out.

In short, unless a film was shot in 16x9, if it's filling the screen something's been cropped or you get black bars. There's nothing "IMAX" about that - it's just marketing. To be fair the marketing kind of works because for most people "IMAX" just means "better" and I'd say to that end Marketing has done their job well.

FWIW the reason I went to NYC to see oppenheimer is because they have the 4th largest screen in the world, its shown on actual film (dust and all), and 70mm IMAX film has a "resolution" equivalent to about 18K compared with digital systems. If you would like to study Cillian Murphy's pores or the tiny hairs on Emily Blunt's face, go see Oppenheimer in 70mm IMAX. :)
 

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IMAX has come to mean a couple of things, which is dumb, but here we are. :)

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In short, unless a film was shot in 16x9, if it's filling the screen something's been cropped or you get black bars. There's nothing "IMAX" about that - it's just marketing. To be fair the marketing kind of works because for most people "IMAX" just means "better" and I'd say to that end Marketing has done their job well.

FWIW the reason I went to NYC to see oppenheimer is because they have the 4th largest screen in the world, its shown on actual film (dust and all), and 70mm IMAX film has a "resolution" equivalent to about 18K compared with digital systems. If you would like to study Cillian Murphy's pores or the tiny hairs on Emily Blunt's face, go see Oppenheimer in 70mm IMAX. :)
Well, your point about cropping the picture during the "enhanced IMAX" portions of the Disney+ has to be correct. What I don't know is whether these movies were shot partly with IMAX aspect ratios or not... I think they are cropped, not shot with different cameras, but I'm not 100% sure.

Disney+ enhanced IMAX is 1.90:1 aspect ratio (according to Disney). It's very confusing because my TV (like most HD TVs) has a 16:9 aspect ratio, ~1.78:1. What I think is really happening is that the movies are actually shot in widescreen (significantly wider than that), and when they are shown on my HD TV they are indeed letterboxed. However, when the IMAX portions are shown, they fill my screen (at 16:9, that is). Perhaps the sides of these 1.90:1 scenes are slightly cropped at the edges of my TV then? No black lines, anyway.

Anyway, I was also wondering if there was some digital magic going on besides just cropping the widescreen... It really does look great on my TV. Are they enhancing the image somehow? My guess is that there was enough resolution in the original widescreen recording that the "IMAXing" of it (which is really just cropping the sides) doesn't cause pixellation.
 

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Well, your point about cropping the picture during the "enhanced IMAX" portions of the Disney+ has to be correct. What I don't know is whether these movies were shot partly with IMAX aspect ratios or not... I think they are cropped, not shot with different cameras, but I'm not 100% sure.

Disney+ enhanced IMAX is 1.90:1 aspect ratio (according to Disney). It's very confusing because my TV (like most HD TVs) has a 16:9 aspect ratio, ~1.78:1. What I think is really happening is that the movies are actually shot in widescreen (significantly wider than that), and when they are shown on my HD TV they are indeed letterboxed. However, when the IMAX portions are shown, they fill my screen (at 16:9, that is). Perhaps the sides of these 1.90:1 scenes are slightly cropped at the edges of my TV then? No black lines, anyway.

Anyway, I was also wondering if there was some digital magic going on besides just cropping the widescreen... It really does look great on my TV. Are they enhancing the image somehow? My guess is that there was enough resolution in the original widescreen recording that the "IMAXing" of it (which is really just cropping the sides) doesn't cause pixellation.

I couldn't say without seeing the files, but most 4K movies are actually 2K masters that have been upscaled for your TV (assuming you have a 4K TV). Digital IMAX in theaters (often called LieMax by purists) is even two 2K projectors. I believe IMAX with Laser uses two 4K projectors, but you may still be watching a movie that was mastered in 2K (like most of them) in an IMAX with Laser theater.

Real IMAX is shot on IMAX cameras which are huge, expensive, and loud. As of a couple of years ago IMAX now certifies other brand's cameras so now a film can be "Shot on IMAX" (Top Gun Maverick, Dune) even though they were not shot on true IMAX cameras.

Since 70mm IMAX theaters are rare outside of Hollywood (there were only two theaters within 100 miles of me and only one in NYC), IMAX has expanded their brand a bit to mean "better and more immersive" which is a good thing if it means we get better quality, but I think they've diluted their brand a bit because seeing a movie in Digital IMAX is nothing like seeing 70mm IMAX.

Back to your TV, according to this Disney+ site, it's just an aspect ratio change and that "other IMAX Enhanced features and functionality are not currently available on Disney+" Now what this could mean depends on the original mastering of the film, because real IMAX is taller and thus more square than what we think of as "widescreen", so it could well be that the widescreen version of the film is a crop of the IMAX film and whatever IMAX mode Disney+ is showing is the actual original IMAX aspect ratio, but IMAX isn't 16:9 so I bet they're showing the additional information on the top and bottom while cropping on the sides. Clear as mud. Geometry is Geometry after all. :)
 
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