K&K with Under saddle, K&K with Mag Sound hole......

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K&K with internal mic?
Just wondering if anyone has gone down this road before and tried some
of these combos.
Or maybe stumbled on an application while working through
electrifying - that is worth mentioning.
 

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I wouldn't try a K&K with an under-saddle. I mean the pickups are already piezos that go under the bridge plate. Why add a UST to that?

K&K with magnetic pu ("Double Helix") might work really well on stage. I don't know anyone who actually has one and pretty sure I've never heard one.

K&K with mic ("Trinity") has been on my list to try someday. I'll bet it's awesome.
 

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I have k&k with an ultratonic upgrade in my martin HJ-38.

The ultrasonic significantly enhances the k&k
rg, I'm not sure how the K&K coexists with the Ultra Tonic... Can you explain this?

edit: Oh, I think your'e saying that a K&K system was replaced with the Ultra Tonic system... Got it.
 

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No. It's a big whatj-for/why-bother. If I needed for my guitars to sound miked, I'd mic 'em. K&K internal pickups do what I want: make my guitar audible in a big room. Mission accomplished.
 

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The Ultra Tonic from James May Engineering is a soundboard transducer, like the K&K, but unlike the K&K, it adds BOTH onboard feedback resistance AND a volume control that does NOT alter the frequency response. To avoid that alteration, power (battery, phantom) is typically required, but James cleverly figured out how to do it and keep the whole system passive - no external power needed. It is a rather brilliant solution! The pickup is outstanding and I can easily recommend it.

The primary reason players will add a mic to a soundboard transducer pickup is to add some “air” to the signal path, but not have to rely entirely upon the mic’d signal (which is highly prone to feedback under higher performance volumes), and end up with what we perceive as a more authentic sound. It is a common pursuit, Whether it is worth the effort and expense, or not, lies in the ears of the beholder.
 

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rg, I'm not sure how the K&K coexists with the Ultra Tonic... Can you explain this?

edit: Oh, I think your'e saying that a K&K system was replaced with the Ultra Tonic system... Got it.
No, ultra tonic has a model that supplements an existing installed k&k (which is what i have), in addition to a model that would be the only pickup system installed in a guitar

Ultra tonic's website explains better than I can
 
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rg, I'm not sure how the K&K coexists with the Ultra Tonic... Can you explain this?

edit: Oh, I think your'e saying that a K&K system was replaced with the Ultra Tonic system... Got it.
James May Engineering supplies an upgrade path for K&K owners. Converts a K&K Pure Mini into an Ultra Tonic equivalent. Includes an extra K&K-like disc to bolster a weak high E string. Comes with a sound-hole mounted volume control.
 

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No, ultra tonic has a model that supplements an existing installed k&k (which is what i have), in addition to a model that would be the only pickup system installed in a guitar

Ultra tonic's website explains better than I can
I see RG. I don't understand how it's hooking up to the installed K&K, but I'm sure there's more details somewhere. Anyway, you are talking about this system:

model UTP V3.2-CK
Converts a K&K Pure Mini into an Ultra Tonic equivalent. Includes an extra K&K-like disc to bolster a weak high E string. Comes with a sound-hole mounted volume control that works with no compromises into any impedance of 500Kohm or more.
 

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1-I wouldn't try a K&K with an under-saddle. I mean the pickups are already piezos that go under the bridge plate. Why add a UST to that?

2-K&K with magnetic pu ("Double Helix") might work really well on stage.
1- Helps eliminate feedback when EQ'd through a pre amp, then sent to the board

2- I have the K&K pure mini and the double helix passive in my Studio 24.... it does
 

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I don’t use pickups since I don’t play out but I have played around with some . The best sounding pickup for is the Miniflex 2 condenser dual mic set up. Only type of set up that sounds real . I guess that’s just my opinion. lol

Another setup which was good was a Shadow system in my Epi acoustic . Which was a UST and mini mag attached to the end of the fret board . Blending the two was much better than a single UST .

Down side to the mini-flex was possible feed back in loud performances. I assume that would the case for any mic combo setup .

UST’s stand out to me and sound terrible. I’d personally would never use them unless I could blend it with a mag or some darn good eq and peddles . 😂
 

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I see RG. I don't understand how it's hooking up to the installed K&K, but I'm sure there's more details somewhere. Anyway, you are talking about this system:

model UTP V3.2-CK
Converts a K&K Pure Mini into an Ultra Tonic equivalent. Includes an extra K&K-like disc to bolster a weak high E string. Comes with a sound-hole mounted volume control that works with no compromises into any impedance of 500Kohm or more.
Yes that is what I am referring to

My tech had no problem installing it, but he had me come in to select 1 of 12 dip switches before he finished the job (he was quite amused by that)

FWIW, I play it through a preamp (either a tech21 sansamp paradrive or a Baggs voiceprint DI)
 
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Looking at the James May unit, it seems that the end result is a pure-mini blended with the May version of a stick-on UST that attaches to the soundboard, running the length of the saddle. So, same dynamics as the K&K power mix system (pure- mini + K&K fantastic UST) but adapted at that circuit board attached to the ultra tonic's jack in order to accept a TS out rather than a TRS cord ? I notice that the May ultra tonic also recommends a pre-amp... and there is where the magic lies : in a quality pre-amp, preferably one that can control & blend the signal coming from both sources.
 
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