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I just received this lovely Guild MKIII classical guitar from Elderley...It hasn't been played much (not as much as a fingerprint let alone a pick scratch) if at all, but a brush up and couple of hours playing is revealing an instrument with a wonderful voice and great accuracy. Any ideas of who was building the classical guitars at this time? I know Carlo Greco was gone, but somebody good with nylon was there for sure!
 

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Hey that is a really good question, thanks Frono! It is marquetry without question, but so finely done it is virtually invisible to the naked eye. There is only one tile line I can see against the light, but the difference between the rings and the blocks can be seen. However, with a closeup against the rising East Anglian sun (romantic aren't I..sorry! It comes from living in the village where John Constable did many of his famous paintings!) it is very easy to see the individual blocks of the inlay in the photo on the left. Wonderful quality!
For comparison, the second photo, on the right, is inlay on my '79 seven string by the mighty Grit Laskin, master of modern inlay. (I also collect guitars from the Jean Larriveé school of makers, its a Canadian thing - L'arriveé (Victoria and Vancouver), Laskin, Ted Thompson, and one day I hope Linda Manzer, Sergei DeJonge...) You can see how impossibly fine Grit's inlay is, but the Guild stands up as the same thing..marquetry in the great tradition of classical guitar rosettes!
Incidentally, the fan struts on the Guild (5 + bass bar) are beautifully tapered into the kerfling - something that can only be done by hand, like in the pic in Hans' book of Carlo Greco shaving struts on an early Guild classical.
Has anyone got any ideas on who made the Guild classicals in the '80's? Whoever they were, they really knew their stuff! I got this guitar in 'as is' condition (but noted 'excellent' by Elderley) and it turns out to be near-mint ($500 US if you want to know, including original Guild case). The 3rd photo shows unplayed frets (I gave them a lick of polishing) on a lovely Indian Rosewood board. The bridge is oiled Brazilian rosewood, exactly as it should be.
 

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I just received this lovely Guild MKIII classical guitar from Elderley...It hasn't been played much (not as much as a fingerprint let alone a pick scratch) if at all, but a brush up and couple of hours playing is revealing an instrument with a wonderful voice and great accuracy. Any ideas of who was building the classical guitars at this time? I know Carlo Greco was gone, but somebody good with nylon was there for sure!
Welcome aboard, Mapleman, pretty nice intro!

Interesting about the rosette. In that thread Frono linked, I posted I was sure that at least some of 'em got genuine marquetry although yours is outside the period I was originally thinking of.

Although the Guild Guitar Book only covers up to '78, it mentions Julio Costa from Portugal, hired in '64, and came to be Carlos' apprentice.

From that, became responsible for building the Mark 7's ("almost entirely made by him") and carving Artist Award bodies.

Don't know if he was still there in '86 (according to the GGB, he did make the move to Westerly), but he seems like a likely "suspect", or at least maybe set the standard that followed?
 

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Welcome aboard, Mapleman, pretty nice intro!

Interesting about the rosette. In that thread Frono linked, I posted I was sure that at least some of 'em got genuine marquetry although yours is outside the period I was originally thinking of.

Although the Guild Guitar Book only covers up to '78, it mentions Julio Costa from Portugal, hired in '64, and came to be Carlos' apprentice.

From that, became responsible for building the Mark 7's ("almost entirely made by him") and carving Artist Award bodies.

Don't know if he was still there in '86 (according to the GGB, he did make the move to Westerly), but he seems like a likely "suspect", or at least maybe set the standard that followed?
Many thanks Adorshki...thats a good bit of info for me, which I had missed in the book.
 

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No, it was in the book, but mapleman missed it!
I should have written: “Whatever info we don’t absorb from Hans’Guild book, as there is no way to take all of it in, Ralf and Al know”. 😂
 

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Very nice! Just like my 1980 Mark III.

The fingerboard and bridge may be Brazilian. Worth looking into!
Nice one! Looking at them carefully, I mentioned in a post that the fingerboard seems Indian, and the bridge Brazilian. This corresponds to several other guitars in my collection, so Im inclined to think that's what it is. the open pores of Brazilian are really clear on the photo of the bridge. Cool stuff! I never expected my MKIII to be so good!
 

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Any info Hans left out from his book, Al and Ralf have in their heads. 😀
"Don't I wish...." :D
Nice one! Looking at them carefully, I mentioned in a post that the fingerboard seems Indian, and the bridge Brazilian. This corresponds to several other guitars in my collection, so Im inclined to think that's what it is. the open pores of Brazilian are really clear on the photo of the bridge. Cool stuff! I never expected my MKIII to be so good!

Yes, they still had Brazilian in sizes suitable for bridges well into the '80's, but fretboards were EIR by then.
 
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