Question about fret buzz

GF20

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Having recently purchased my first all wood guitar (F20), I am not sure what to expect in terms of fret buzz.

I have had the action adjusted twice, but the fret buzz seems to have returned. Is this simply a feature of having a wood guitar and it responding to it's environment? Should I just learn to tolerate some fret buzz? Could my humidifier be impacting this? The way the action is currently set, it suits me well. I'm not sure what to do.

I keep it stored in it's case with a humidifier in a room that has a consistent temperature. Here is the humidifier I use: http://www.musiciansbuy.com/Dampit-9127 ... ifier.html

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It really depends on what the humidity level is. Using a dampit is a start, but if the environment is very dry, the dampit may not be able to keep the guitar humidified well enough. If this is happening, the soundboard/top of the guitar will shrink slightly, and the lower bout curvature will shrink. This will move the bridge/saddle down in relation to the height of the fretboard, and you will have buzzing. If the guitar was set up, and the buzz went away, and it has now returned, it is a symptom of the guitar drying out. You may want to get a dampit or two more, or even better, get an accurate hygrometer inside the case with the dampit, and find out what the humidity level is. If it is below 35%, the guitar is at risk of not only buzzing, but long term, cracking as well. If the humidity is in the 40% range, then you just may need to have the guitar set up again, but it is pretty rare for a guitar to be improperly set up, if the luthier is competent.

Another approach is to use a room humidifier in a room that the guitar will be kept in. Set the humidifier to 45% for example, and assuming that the room is not too large, the room humidity will settle to 45% in a day or two. Then just get the guitar into that room, with the case open for a day. After that, it will no longer matter if the guitar is in the case or not, as the room humidity will be 45%.

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That's great advice from Kostas. A too-dry guitar is not happy.

Weather changes can also have an effect on the relative humidity in your house. If you learn how to adjust the truss rod yourself you'll save a lot of money over the years and have a better playing experience. Guitars usually need adjustment at least several times a year to maintain peak playability depending on the weather where you live.

Truss rod adjustment:
http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/trussrods.htm
http://www.athensmusician.net/archive/2001-05-01_geneimbody1.shtml

Another option would be the next time you take it in, ask your luthier and/or repairman if they'll show you how to do it. Most will.
 

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:D Yep, Great advice there Kostas, and from you too Joe, and those links were very helpful to me as well. We all put alot of care and attention into these instruments...it behoooves us to know how to best care for them ourselves. Those are some great pointers. :D
PS .....Joe, Your new avatar looks VERY COOL !! 8)
 

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Should I just learn to tolerate some fret buzz?
No, you shouldn't have to tolerate fret buzz. Humidity can indeed affect a guitar, but I would consider having a different luthier or good guitar tech take a look. There are a lot of potentially easy fixes that can cure a minor (but very annoying) issue like buzz.

There are some pretty good websites, such as Frets.com with good reading about buzz.

If that doesn't work, I could introoduce you to an old girlfriend, who was a definite buzz-kill! :lol: :lol:
 

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As mentioned above... changes in environment, from shipping to a new home or seasonal fluctuations in temp or RH, can affect your M-20. In fact, I have to tweak the trusses on several of my guitars twice/year... in late fall as my cave cools down to its winter time temp of 60F, and then in late spring back to its summertime 75F.

Here's what I would do...
(1) Check the neck relief on your M-20. Put a capo on the 1st fret. Then fret the 6th (low E) string at the 14th fret. Now, look at the 7th fret... there should be a tiny (half the dia of a high E string) gap between the fret and the string. Rather than looking, I usually tap the string at the 7th fret, and can tell by the string movement and clicking sound how much gap there is. Proceed to check all the strings... they should all have a little gap. If not, loosen the truss nut (CCW) 1/4 turn, wait, and test again after a couple hours. Loosening the truss will allow the string tension to bow the neck forward a little... creating more relief. This should always be done carefully, and just a little (1/4th turn) at a time. A small adjustment of the truss can have a dramatic effect. Repeat this as necessary uuntil you have a small gap... The converse... if you have a large gap (which is not a cause of buzzing, but of sore fingers!), tighten the truss CW 1/4 turn...

(2) Once the relief is set... remove the capo and check the "action" (string height) at the 12th fret. Different peple have different opinions on how high the "action" at the 12th fret should be. On my dreads, the low E is just a shade over 3/32 above the 12th fret. The high E is on my dreads is usually between 2/32nds and 5/64ths above the 12th fret. A heavy strummer might like the action a little higher... a finesse fingerstylist might like it a smidge lower. Mine is a compromise... easy to fret, but if I play too hard I will buzz a bit. ACtion is usually adjusted by adjusting the saddle height (or in some cases, the nut)... something that I have (so far) left up to my tech/luthier... but I like to have a good idea what I want before I take my guitars to him.

(3) If the relief and action seem fine, but you still have buzzing, I'd check for a high fret. Sometimes I can narrow it down to a particular string and or fret by just playing each string at every fret up the neck, listening for the appearance and disappearance of the buzz. Sometmes, just sighting down the neck can reveal a hump in the frets. But another easy test uses a credit card (but doesn't cost anything!)...

Take a nice straightedge (the edge of a credit card works great) and span the first three frets (use the long edge of the card). Try and rock the card back and forth like a teeter-totter (see-saw). It SHOUDLN'T rock. If it rocks, the fret in the middle is high. Then, do the same thing spanning frets 2-4... then 3-6... etc, all the way down the neck. As you move down the neck and the frets get closer together, use the shorter edge of the credit card as your straightedge... you want to span just three frets. If I know which string(s) are buzzing, I will test this way all down the neck right next to the buzzing string... if not, I'll check near the middle and each edge of the fretboard. Again... your tech/luthier could find a high fret for you, but I like to know where to have mine look for when I take my guitar in. Leveling/dressing a high fret is definitely NOT something I do myself.

I think that's enough to start with... hope it helps!
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Wow! Thanks a lot everyone. I appreciate your thoughtful responses. I purchased a hygrometer today. Once it arrives I am going to check the humidity. If it needs to be adjusted, I will make the correction. If not I will move to GardMan's suggestion. Except, I probably won't do it myself. Handy, I am not. Me handling tools is like socks on a rooster.

Should I need to move GardMan's remedy, can anyone suggest an individual in the Annapolis, MD area to make the needed tweaks?

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Update.

So, I went and purchased an additional humidifying device and a hydrometer.

I have been able to keep the humidity in the case between 40 and 59% for the past week or so. And as a result, much of the fret buzz has disappeared. I am very pleased. Thanks for the suggestions. :D

**I am still going to have it set up at the nearby shop: http://www.appalachianbluegrass.com

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MandoSquirrel said:
This one's new, isn't it? may take a bit of time to settle in to being a guitar instead of a tree.
I'd go to Appalachian Bluegrass Shoppe; Catonsville, MD.
http://www.appalachianbluegrass.com/repair.html
I know from personal experience they do good work(or did 21 years ago, anyway)

Just picked up my F20 from Appalachian Bluegrass. Sounds absolutely amazing. :D 8)
 

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GF20 said:
MandoSquirrel said:
This one's new, isn't it? may take a bit of time to settle in to being a guitar instead of a tree.
I'd go to Appalachian Bluegrass Shoppe; Catonsville, MD.
http://www.appalachianbluegrass.com/repair.html
I know from personal experience they do good work(or did 21 years ago, anyway)

Just picked up my F20 from Appalachian Bluegrass. Sounds absolutely amazing. :D 8)
Yay! :)
 
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