Showdown: D-4 v DCE3

GGJaguar

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Battle of the arch backs! The plain jane D-4 versus the acoustic-electric DCE3. This is one comparison that I was really looking forward to doing.

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To start, these guitars were made within a few years of each other in Westerly. Given that the D-4 is a budget guitar it stands to reason that it doesn’t feel as luxurious as the DCE3. Here is a thumbnail sketch of the specifications. As you can see, the dimensions for the neck and body are pretty much the same between the two models.

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I did the comparison by strumming through a bunch of cowboy chord progressions, followed by some arpeggiated stuff to hear the single notes, and concluded with some fingerstyle playing. The first thing I noticed is that the DCE3 is louder than the D-4. That was unexpected, especially since the D-4 is made to be an uncompromised acoustic guitar while the DCE3 is a “master of none” acoustic-electric. The DCE3 has more bottom end, good mids and a smoothed off top end. The overall sound is slightly compressed. The D-4 has a weaker bottom end, but more mids and high end sparkle. It’s a bright guitar and the overall sound is more woody and open than the DCE3. Both guitars sustain equally well. They are both good in their own way. I wish I could combine the two sounds into one guitar because together they’d be perfect.

I was still having a hard time with the way these arch back guitars sound from a player’s perspective and I think that’s due to the way they project their sound. So, to confirm what I was hearing (or not hearing), I recruited Mrs. Jaguar for a blind listening test to see if she could describe the sound (she was in all-state chorus and has a good ear). I also asked her to give me her opinion as to which guitar sounded better. She was about 20 feet (6 meters) from me and facing in the opposite direction so she could not see what guitar I was playing. Surprisingly, she pretty much duplicated my observations with the exception that both guitars seemed equally loud to her (I still say the DCE3 is louder). So, I do believe I’m hearing the sound correctly from behind the guitar. Also, Mrs. Jaguar did not have a preference of one guitar over the other. She said they were different, but both good.

I tuned the DCE3 down a half-step to put it into the sweet spot. I definitely prefer the de-tuned sound. Mrs. Jaguar did another blind listening test and thought I was playing a guitar other than the D-4 or DCE3! She thought it sounded richer in the lower tuning. She had no preference and just made that observation which is good enough for me. Both of these guitars are outside of my usual tone zone, but sometimes it’s good to go with a different sound just for a change of pace and to “recalibrate” the ears.

So there's no clear winner as both guitars are fine sounding instruments in their own regard, but if I had to choose one, it would be the DCE3. I like the way it feels, plays and sound better for how and what I play. YMMV. ;)
 

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Great writeup! I'm unfamiliar with the DCE3 but know the D4 reasonably well, so it was great to be able to put the comments about the DCE3 in context.
 

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I tuned the DCE3 down a half-step to put it into the sweet spot. I definitely prefer the de-tuned sound. Mrs. Jaguar did another blind listening test and thought I was playing a guitar other than the D-4 or DCE3! She thought it sounded richer in the lower tuning. She had no preference and just made that observation which is good enough for me. Both of these guitars are outside of my usual tone zone, but sometimes it’s good to go with a different sound just for a change of pace and to “recalibrate” the ears.
I have similar experience with the F65ce, also a maple archback. Silk'n'steel at standard tension is another "flavor", can't recall if you've tried 'em yet.
 

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Not surprised the DCE3 eaked out the win here. D-4 's are amazing value dreads no doubt and the gateway Guild for many - myself included, but they don't measure up spec-wise to the DCE3 IMO. Obviously, one being maple vs. hog is a variable to consider in this comparison.
They really put some love into the design and execution of the DCE3 comparatively speaking. Ebony board / bridge. Fishman prefix. Gloss finish. Chesterfield. I know not all of these are tonal variables, but ebony is to some degree, and the feel is better IMO. You could argue that the upper bout measurement difference is canceled out by the cutaway on the DCE3, but I don't know that it is. There are varying schools of thought on how much volume the cutaway takes, but I would argue not much if any. My DCE3 is super loud and not surprised to hear yours is louder between the two. Is this a bi-product of top vibration over time or just built into the inherent differences between the guitars?

Either way, the DCE3 and D4 share the distinction of demonstrating superb value to dollar ratio. Both are comfortably under $1k in most cases. I think overall value, specs, performance goes to the DCE3. I have played enough of both models to maintain this opinion.

DCE3 for the win IMO as well. And I would be proud to gig with either and have.
 

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I'll add the DCE3 is another example of Guild making an anvil that projects wonderfully with excellent tone. I guess it's all in the top and the arched back. Mine is a boat anchor for sure.
 

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I also think there are enough variables between years and builds to sway things depending upon the individual instrument. I'm currently in a near empty house (we're moving) and my current 1993 DCE1 which is notably louder (and I'm remembering correctly, notably lighter) than my previous 1997 DCE1, is almost too loud to play in the empty living room, with a vaulted ceiling. Strumming sounds like I have all the dials of my reverb pedal maxed out.

My F44 (flat back maple), on the other hand, sounds heavenly in the same room.
 
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