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:lol: GOG, you brought back a bunch of memories talking about wearing out the buttons on the cassette deck. Rewind, stop, play, stop, write. Rewind, stop, play, stop, write. Rewind, stop, play, stop, write. If you were lucky, you had a mechanical digit counter on your cassette deck. LOL
 

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dreadnut said:
I hate to be the turd in the punchbowl, but what do you suppose happens when the copyright snakes come after everyone using these sites, just like they did with music downloading sites? Just sayin'...

I suspect there is no general answer. Making a chart with chords and lyrics for personal use is a protected activity that does not violate copyright as much as (some) copyright holders would want to believe otherwise. However, sharing such charts may require a judge to decide when the sharing shifts from Fair Use to copyright violation. Playing in public from such charts might also be a violation although in many cases it is the owner of the public space who would have to secure the mechanical license and get permission, not the performers.

To the extent that what is legal and what is right can differ, it is hard to identify where the harm comes from when the players/performers are not receiving any compensation for doing so. But that is not what the law says in some cases so...
 

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Ah, yes, I remember playing and replaying Beatles songs to get the right words and chords. Thankfully Olga, Chordie, Ultimate Guitar, and others came along making it so mush easier. Over the years my "book" got too big and I went to 2 books.

For Christmas I was given an iPad and discovered the Onsong app. I now have my 220 songs in my iPad and it has completely replaced my 2 binders of songs. This app is amazing, makes transposing a breeze, finding any song is quick, and the songs are shareable. If you have an iPad, definetely try it. If not, it is well worth the investment.
 

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dreadnut said:
wearing out the buttons on the cassette deck. Rewind, stop, play, stop, write. Rewind, stop, play, stop, write. Rewind, stop, play, stop, write. If you were lucky, you had a mechanical digit counter on your cassette deck. LOL
Hmph, young whippersnapper. I did that for years with a turntable and record. Pick up the needle, hope to get the right spot, pick up the needle, hope to get the right spot.....some licks were easier than others. Learning "Angie" from Paul Simon's versionl was a b&*ch, as were some of Dave Van Ronk's things. Wish I could still remember how to play a lot of those.
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I put together a songbook as well. I also use chordie.com most of the time. I had to do the songbook because I was having trouble remembering words to songs I've sung for over 20 years. Now I can't remember where I put that dang songbook. :?


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dreadnut said:
I hate to be the turd in the punchbowl, but what do you suppose happens when the copyright snakes come after everyone using these sites, just like they did with music downloading sites? Just sayin'...
learnintoplay62 said:
Great topic. I've been using ultimate- guitar.com and find its got lots of songs , lots of options. Sometimes, however , the songs just don't sound right. Of course, that could be my playing :wink:
W-e-e-e-l-l as a matter of fact there was a site about 10 years ago called "OnLine Guitar Archives", "OLGA", which WAS shut down by the "copyright snakes" and from which I can recognize Chordie and Ultimate have drawn much source material. I can still recognize some of "Andy Rogers'" transcriptions on the current sites. He did lots of transcriptions of the top 40 stuff from the hip bands and the one hit wonders: "Another ace '60's tab from Andy Rogers".
The disclaimer on every OLGA transcription was that each piece was the contributor's interpretation of the tune, and I noticed that there was frequently one wrong (but easily corrected) chord in a given tune. I soon realized that this was intended to deflect the copyright infingement claims, but when the totality of music+lyrics was considered, I guess it didn't wash. Olga got shut down. WAY before the free file sharing clampdown.
I've noticed a lot of the stuff now is music in one place and lyrics in another, so that they aren't presented together. I think it's just another attempt to dodge the copyright infringement bullet. Who knows how long it'll last? I also notice that frequently you get a pop-up ad for a ringtone of the tune you're looking for..maybe that's how the rights owners are collecting their royalties, causing them to look the other way on "questionable" stuff ?
I admit, personally I downloaded a TON of '60s stuff from OLGA of charts I had looked for and couldn't find anywhere to buy legitimately as standalone sheetmusic, which I actually collect. I got an original chart for "Layla", for example.
Examples: Ever seen a chart for "Eight Miles High" or "High Flyin' Bird" or "Low Spark of High Heeled Boys" ...how about "Mr. You're A Better Man Than I", or "Shapes of Things" by the Yardbirds... how about "Bluebird" and "Rock'nRoll Woman" by Buffalo Springfield...All those tunes were basically out of print in sheet music form in the late '90's so I didn't see any damage being done to any rights holders. But obviously somebody did.
I put 'em in 3-ring binders so I can lay 'em out flat, and not worry about totin' around whole books of a single artist. Got 4 3-inch deep binders, but about 30% is stuff I copied out of my legitimately purchased anthogies like Hendrix, Cream, Beatles, Neil Young, Talking Heads....
 

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I've found two sites that are a veritable wealth of data and tabs.

For all things Neil Young, you can't beat Hyper Rust:

http://hyperrust.org/Music/

It's real hard to navigate, but once you figure it out, it's great.

Betty Lou's Site has a wealth of tabs, readily printable with chords highlighted in red. Again, hard to navigate around, but there are some real gems here, a very eclectic mix of songs for all ages:

http://bettylou.zzruss.com/

Hope these are useful to you all.
 

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valleyguy said:
Ah, yes, I remember playing and replaying Beatles songs to get the right words and chords. Thankfully Olga, Chordie, Ultimate Guitar, and others came along making it so mush easier. Over the years my "book" got too big and I went to 2 books.

For Christmas I was given an iPad and discovered the Onsong app. I now have my 220 songs in my iPad and it has completely replaced my 2 binders of songs. This app is amazing, makes transposing a breeze, finding any song is quick, and the songs are shareable. If you have an iPad, definetely try it. If not, it is well worth the investment.

I've been wondering if this would work. Is the screen large enough to see the material from, say a few feet away? Will it scroll?

Dave :D
 

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dapmdave said:
valleyguy said:
This app is amazing, makes transposing a breeze, finding any song is quick, and the songs are shareable. If you have an iPad, definetely try it. If not, it is well worth the investment.
I've been wondering if this would work. Is the screen large enough to see the material from, say a few feet away? Will it scroll?
Dave :D
Desperately fearing being left behind in the technical dust, I checked out his link to the app. The short answer's "yes", you can connect it to a a display or a projector and it mentions "autoscroll"....great...now I'm in danger of getting "iPad Acquisition Fever".... :?
Sure would cut down on that weighty bundle I'd carry around for outdoors jams....
 

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dapmdave said:
valleyguy said:
For Christmas I was given an iPad and discovered the Onsong app. I now have my 220 songs in my iPad and it has completely replaced my 2 binders of songs. This app is amazing, makes transposing a breeze, finding any song is quick, and the songs are shareable. If you have an iPad, definetely try it. If not, it is well worth the investment.

I've been wondering if this would work. Is the screen large enough to see the material from, say a few feet away? Will it scroll?

Dave :D
I also had this concern with my aging eyes. At 3 feet I can easily read the songs, in fact more so than a sheet of paper, and that's in the portrait mode, but YMMV. You can also put it into landscape mode by rotating the iPad and the print becomes bigger, though there is less on the screen. In that case, you can set the screen to scroll the song, either using beats per minute, or setting the length of the song. It works pretty well. I'd say of the 200+ songs I have, I only scroll maybe 15%, however, I don't always put chords over the later verses in my songs if I know the song well and the song has easy chords.

In addition, you can adjust the font size, line spacing, and either highlight chords or display them in a different color. I use black for words, red for chords with a smaller font size. And yes, you can attach the iPad to a larger monitor or even link several iPads together via bluetooth so they all see the same music It's a pretty amazing app for only $5. Only downside is the price of the iPad itself.

I'll say the biggest hassle was rewriting all my songs to fit the format they use so that chords are displayed properly and you can transpose songs and change chords for use with a capo. For example, if I play a song in C with a capo on the 2nd fret, I display the chords in C, but my bass player needs it in D. Onsong will convert for that automatically if you choose. Proper formatting involves putting songs into the Chordpro format, where chords are surrounded by square brackets in the same line as the word to which it belongs. The app then puts the chord above that word. Some songs are already in that format, and Chordie will convert songs to that format, then only minor tweaks are necessary to correct mistakes, and to put in personal touches. Some songs, however, I had to totally rewrite.

The app will accept Word documents and PDFs, however, the first line is taken as the title of the song so you can search on that, but you cannot then search on the artist's name. These documents also do not give you the ability to transpose chords.

My other concern was using it outside, but on a sunny day, in the shade, the iPad can be turned up enough to read it. And of course, it's perfect in low light situations.
 
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