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    Is this a solid spruce top or a laminate/spruce

    Hi, I think this might be a laminate with spruce veneer but it does appear to have some grain-like lines going down the soundhole. I am new to guitars. Hopefully some experienced members here can weigh in. Thanks.








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    I don't see any obvious signs that it is a laminate (at least not super obvious layering). What guitar is it? I don't know of any Guild acoustics with laminated tops (AFAIK, even the MIC models were solid tops).

    Chris is correct... their were acoustic archtops with laminated tops... but not flat tops, TMK.
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    Solid. You can see the grain lines running down the top continuing into the soundhole. AFAIK, there are no Guild flattops with a laminated top, US or import. Archtop s, yes; flattops, no.
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    I'm going to be the lone dissenter here and say that this looks like a laminated top to me. I'm assuming, if so, this is not a Guild guitar we're looking at. I say that b/c you can see pretty clear grain lines on both the top and bottom of the cross-section that stop right around the end of the round-over and the whole middle appears a completely different grain structure to my eyes. I particular, the 3rd photo seems to show some grain running tangent to the cut in a spot that would make the center laminate perpendicular to the others, grain-wise, which is as expected -- it also doesn't really look like spruce to me.

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    i agree, i think this is a lammie. and not a guild as far as i can tell. welcome to the LTg!

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    Because of the angle of the circle, you will get different grain effects depending on which part of the circle you look at. If you look at the very first pic, at the grain lines running from the center part of the fingerboard, you can see them clearly continuing down the edge of the soundhole.
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    Welcome! I hit your site - cool stuff.

    I'm thinking laminate too, but post a pic of the label, or tell us what it is and we'll be able to tell you with more certainty. It it's a Madeira "by Guild", we can tell you more about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kakerlak View Post
    I'm going to be the lone dissenter here and say that this looks like a laminated top to me. I'm assuming, if so, this is not a Guild guitar we're looking at. I say that b/c you can see pretty clear grain lines on both the top and bottom of the cross-section that stop right around the end of the round-over and the whole middle appears a completely different grain structure to my eyes. I particular, the 3rd photo seems to show some grain running tangent to the cut in a spot that would make the center laminate perpendicular to the others, grain-wise, which is as expected -- it also doesn't really look like spruce to me.
    After looking at 'em all several times, actually I agree.
    That cross grain appearance of the center layer is actually also evident at the right-hand edge of the 4th pic.
    I think what others see as continuation of the grain is an artifact of the angle of soundhole's circumference and the true grain of the center layer is visible when it's perpendicluar to the top grain as you explain.
    Still, tough call without having the real article in hand with a magnifying glass.

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    What caused you to ask about that guitar in particular, is it being represented as a Guild?
    We've seen plenty of counterfeits here but usually they're identifiable by more obvious errors like headstock or neckheel shape, or pickguard or soundhole label, and usually at least a couple of those flaws being present in an example.
    And like everybody else, I don't think Guild ever made an acoustic flat-top with a laminated top.
    Backs and sides yes, but tops, never.
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    I think what you guys are looking at around the soundhole is wood binding. One of my guitars had an ivoroid ring around the soundhole; this appears to be wood.

    I'm not at all sure, but that's what it looks like to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GardMan View Post
    I don't see any obvious signs that it is a laminate (at least not super obvious layering). What guitar is it?
    It is not a proper Guild. It is an A-30M Madeira by Guild (oval label). I initially left that info out because I wanted to hear clean opinions without that influence.

    I have seen a Madeira catalog that says, "Natural spruce top" with "Maple sides and back" and of course Internet ramblings saying it's solid, it's laminate, it's semi-solid, etc...

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