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Thread: 2017 Martin D28 Swiss over Cocobolo Custom Shop vs 2014 Guild F50R

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    2017 Martin D28 Swiss over Cocobolo Custom Shop vs 2014 Guild F50R

    While waiting for my Martin Custom Shop build to arrive ( 7 1/2 months ) the F50 R I had sold last year (and really missed) found it's way back into my life.....they've both been trying to earn the right to be my "ultimate rhythm guitar for life" and it's been a month now......one has to go, decision has been made.....guess which one I just put up for sale?

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    2017 Martin D28 Swiss over Cocobolo Custom Shop for sale ?

    Ralf
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    Hey Krug, PM me a link for the Martin, I might be interested in it.

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    Is Cocobolo as bright as they say?

    I've been having a hard time finding good audio samples of it or even a guitar in my local shop made of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmascis View Post
    Is Cocobolo as bright as they say? I've been having a hard time finding good audio samples.
    Enter "Martin Cocobolo" on YouTube, many examples there.

    Taylor gives this description:
    "Cocobolo is a dense, stiff tropical hardwood with a fairly bright tone. Sonically, it's similar to koa, but resonates a little deeper on the low end, although it doesn't have quite the full low end of rosewood or ovangkol. Fast and responsive, with moderate note decay, it's articulate with lots of note distinction. We like it on a GS because it really pairs well with what the body shape is doing, blending the low end and midrange of the body with the wood's brightness. We also like it for fingerstyle on a GC. Goes Well With: A wide range of playing styles (depending on the body shape). Also, with players who want a brighter rosewood sound with a little less low end and a little more treble zing."


    I once tested the Guild GSR D-50 Cocobolo in a store, I liked it way better than the normal D-55 they had to compare. I only didn't buy it at that time as I didn't like the look of the unfortunatelly mismatched cocololo wood on that specific one guitar. I guess I regret it now...
    Ralf

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    Let me start by saying I'm not a Martin fan.

    Having done some woodworking, I can tell you that Cocobolo is a very heavy wood. I would think that Guitar would be pretty heavy by comparison to others.

    Also admit that I've been a guild fan for decades.

    The guild would definitely get my vote.
    Last edited by PTC Bernie; 08-14-2017 at 12:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmascis View Post
    Is Cocobolo as bright as they say?

    I've been having a hard time finding good audio samples of it or even a guitar in my local shop made of it.
    Granted this soundclip was recorded before I got my good mics but it will give you an idea of what the Guild GSR D50 Cocobolo sounds like. Not as bright as some might think, Personally to me it has a Smokey Haunting tone to it. Out of all my Guilds and all of the tone woods I have including Brazilian RW, My GSR D50 Cocobolo is one of my Favorites as it is completely unique unto itself. Cocobolo is my Favorite tonewood out of all of them.

    2011 Guild GSR D50 Engleman Spruce Top/ Cocobolo Back and Sides.

    https://soundcloud.com/txbumper57/20...d50-sound-clip

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    I'm with you Tx. I have a Guild F 40 GSR with Cocobolo back and sides. I don't find it to be overly bright, not even close. If I had to categorize it I might say that to me the sound is somewhere between a Koa and a Rosewood. I haven't seen many Cocobolo guitars for sale be it on the various forums, Craig's List, Ebay or Reverb.
    -A whole lotta Guilds, mostly acoustic but a few nice electric pieces as well

    -Not nearly so many Martins, Gibsons and Taylors

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    Which of the two did I put up for sale?

    Ralf and TX got it right away..... my Martin custom order is up for sale.....not because it's less guitar than the F50R, but for financial reasons, etc, as I head into retirement with only two guitars to keep, I think I'd like to have one Rosewood and one Mahogany.....and for twice the money, I don't really see how the D28 gives me twice what I get from my F50R.....when I sold the F50R (and then missed it) I designed the Martin custom build to try to give me the tone I remembered from the F50R, and I do like the Martin dreads, so I figured this could be a killer combination.....and it turned out real fine...but if I only want one rosewood, for my budget (and since I got my original F50R back while waiting for my custom build) I just can't see replacing the F50R with the Custom.....if I had the money and my wife didn't have health issues I would not let this Martin out of my hands...it's that nice...I picked everything on that order to fit my playing style, and I believe I nailed it...it's a strummer's, flat picker's dream.....sometimes you just gotta let 'em go.....

    jmascis.....hard to judge the "brightness" of this cocobolo because of the way I had it built.....I chose the rear shifted X bracing which diminishes the mid range scoop of rosewood...that, in itself, reduces the highs you hear because of the over all more even balance string to string, while maintaining the beautiful lows of a Martin dread.....then I had the Adi braces scalloped like the Golden Era Martins to keep the lows strong...then I went with European Swiss Spruce top instead of Adi...for an instant warmth to the tone, and sparkling highs, without waiting months or years to break it in.....(remember, they say the top is a good 75% of the tone of a guitar.....the coco B&S add volume, sustain, and note clarity/separation to the formula.....cocobolo is just another rosewood, more or less.....you pick up a good mahogany build and there is usually a defined mid range presence to it.....pick up a rosewood, and you usually have the classic lows and highs up front and the mids backed off.....that's what I do like about the way this custom order turned out...it's a rosewood dread that has the tone of mahogany and rosewood.....if I was to keep only one guitar, not the two I've described, it would be the custom, cuz it's a little bit of both.....but with two guitars, I can let the RW be all RW, and the Hog be all Hog! hope my rambling makes some sense to you.....

    PTC Bernie.....not sure I understood your "vote"

    richardp69.....go to Reverb, search "martin custom shop D28 cocobolo".....mine pops up and is the only one.....add the rear shifted and the swiss top and it's pretty rare....

    thanks to all for the feedback so far.....
    Last edited by krugjr; 08-14-2017 at 02:56 AM.

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    IMO, those are pretty different beasties to be comparing, krugjr. I'm just wondering what you were looking for in your Martin? Just a different sound, I guess? That's great that you got back the "one you let get away." :)

    In the dread family, I have to say I really loved my Martin HD-28. The comparison in my mind was always between that and a Guild D-50 or D-55. I would've guessed that your Martin, with scalloped braces shifted to the rear, would sound somewhat like the HD-28, but perhaps not.

    Cocobolo is an exquisitely beautiful wood, I have to say. But I've never played a guitar made from it.

    Best of luck.
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