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    Late 1950's Guild acoustic

    I've had a late 1950's Guild acoustic for a few years. Bridge was rebuild by a vintage guitar shop in NYC, otherwise, all original.
    Label is first design, from Hoboken, which would date the guitar from 1956-1959.
    Folks from Guild have told me the serial number is unusual, not matching their model productions, and presumably the guitar was custom made order.
    Always wondered who Vinny Roberts was, and why I can never find any information on this particular guitar.

    Internet research leads me to a chord book which was co-authored by a Vinny Roberts, and recently, this picture (may or may not be him, however would certainly fit the timeline of the guitar's age). I reached out to the woman who took this photo, will update post when I hear back from her.

    Anyone out there have any info or leads for me?





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    Welcome. Hopefully Hans Moust will be by because this is the type of "mystery" he can usually solve. I'm no expert, and often am wrong, but what I see in the pictures suggests a genuine 50's Guild and an unusual serial number, although what may be unusual is sloppy handwriting.
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    What he said.

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    nice! according to the label serial number and model number, That is a 1958 F-20 NT V.R.
    (Natural top, Vinny Roberts)
    looks like an early F-20 with a maple back.

    serial number looks like 7789, for 1958.
    Last edited by mavuser; 10-13-2017 at 01:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavuser View Post
    serial number looks like 7789, for 1958.
    Duh. That's not what I was reading when I made my comments but that makes more sense than what I thought I read. Serial from the headstock would confirm.
    Quote Originally Posted by mgod View Post
    What he said.

    '67 Starfire I Bass (Cherry)
    '71 JS II Bass (Walnut)
    '82 B-50 Acoustic Bass (Natural)
    '87 Pilot (Black)
    '13 Newark Street Starfire Bass (Cherry)
    '16 Betts Bass "Walnut Bottom"

    LMG I, II, III

    This space available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesHenryTrotter View Post
    I've had a late 1950's Guild acoustic for a few years. Bridge was rebuild by a vintage guitar shop in NYC, otherwise, all original.
    Label is first design, from Hoboken, which would date the guitar from 1956-1959.
    Folks from Guild have told me the serial number is unusual, not matching their model productions, and presumably the guitar was custom made order.
    Always wondered who Vinny Roberts was, and why I can never find any information on this particular guitar.
    Hello JHT,

    Welcome! Vinny Roberts was the name of a music studio during the '50s and '60s; I assume that Vinny was the name of the owner who started the studio. They sold instruments to their pupils that were somewhat 'customized' with the 'Vinny Roberts' name on them. I've seen guitars from different brands with the 'Vinny Roberts' name as well as other instruments, like accordeons, so he probably had an arrangement with various manufacturers.

    The Guilds with the Vinny Roberts silkscreen on the headstock that I've seen were all from the second half of the '50s and apart from the name on the headstock they were all regular models; no special specs. Your guitar is an F-20NT from 1958.

    Sincerely,

    Hans Moust
    www.guitarsgalore.nl

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    Welcome, James! Very cool guitar - a birth year for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmoust View Post
    Hello JHT,

    Welcome! Vinny Roberts was the name of a music studio during the '50s and '60s; I assume that Vinny was the name of the owner who started the studio. They sold instruments to their pupils that were somewhat 'customized' with the 'Vinny Roberts' name on them. I've seen guitars from different brands with the 'Vinny Roberts' name as well as other instruments, like accordeons, so he probably had an arrangement with various manufacturers.

    The Guilds with the Vinny Roberts silkscreen on the headstock that I've seen were all from the second half of the '50s and apart from the name on the headstock they were all regular models; no special specs. Your guitar is an F-20NT from 1958.

    Sincerely,

    Hans Moust
    www.guitarsgalore.nl
    Thanks all for the responses! Hans Moust, super grateful for all the information!! Love the guitar, and it is pretty cool being able to piece together its history.

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    JHT, let me be the first to make a plug for Hans' "The Guild Guitar Book." If you want to dive into Guild, that is most certainly the place to do it! Not only is it a fantastic reference for Guild's early period (up to 1977), but it is a fantastic read!

    And, welcome to LTG!!!!!!!
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    I am going to hang onto this little F-20 and play it as a reminder that life is sometimes rough, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the damage you accrue along the way defines who you are.
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    Hi folks,

    I did a little googling and found 'Vinny Roberts Studios' in the Bronx. An accordion site talks about the connection between VR Studios both teaching and selling accordians to students in Catholic Schools in the '60s.

    Link:

    http://allthingsaccordion.com/my-accordion-story/

    “At 11 years old I begin three years of study with Vinny Roberts Studio 1962-1965. The Vinny Roberts Studio on Castle Hill Avenue in the Bronx, NY, comes to the Roman Catholic Schools to give lessons.”

    That's all I got! Harry/gilded
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    And I like Harry's approach.
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    Cool guitar and even better to find out the history!

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