F-112 questions

chazmo · Feb 28, 2018

mavuser said:
hey, thanks Chaz. I actually acquired both of my F-112's from original owners, and just also scored a super clean original case for the 1970 model. also the 1970 F-112 does not have wear and tear/playwear persay, and the neck and neck angle and frets and all are perfect- it just needed all the braces reglued and 2 top cracks cleated. not quite as clean as the 1975 F-112, but she is all there- especially with the case!

also the photos you commented on of the 1975 F-112 are from *before the set up and removal of 1/4 inch layer of dust...

try this one...

not too shabby, eh??

My goodness, those look great, but wow, look at the differences!!!! Those really should never have been the same model. Great stuff, Mav!

adorshki · Feb 28, 2018

chazmo said:
My goodness, those look great, but wow, look at the differences!!!! Those really should never have been the same model. Great stuff, Mav!

They just followed the evolution of the F30 bodies they were based on.

mavuser · Feb 28, 2018

chazmo said:
My goodness, those look great, but wow, look at the differences!!!! Those really should never have been the same model. Great stuff, Mav!

amazing how Guild will call 2 entirely different designs the same exact name, and call 2 of the same exact guitars entirely different names, right?? "it's the same thing, only it's different"

mavuser · Feb 28, 2018

also, they do not fit in each other's cases (at least 1970 guitar did not fit in 1975 case), they both *do fit in a dread case though, FYI

i got super lucky with the case for the 1970 F-112. that case is only for that guitar and same era F-30, nothing else. rolled the reverb dice on that one, scored for sure.

Rayk · Feb 28, 2018

mavuser said:
amazing how Guild will call 2 entirely different designs the same exact name, and call 2 of the same exact guitars entirely different names, right?? "it's the same thing, only it's different"

Apparently that’s why Córdoba is doing what their doing with the naming so they told me lol guess they Gunn’s fix it .

adorshki · Feb 28, 2018

mavuser said:
amazing how Guild will call 2 entirely different designs the same exact name, and call 2 of the same exact guitars entirely different names, right?? "it's the same thing, only it's different"

If it's good enough for Ferrari it's good enough for Guild.
:biggrin-new:

lonesome picker · Feb 28, 2018

mavuser said:
also, they do not fit in each other's cases (at least 1970 guitar did not fit in 1975 case), they both *do fit in a dread case though, FYI

i got super lucky with the case for the 1970 F-112. that case is only for that guitar and same era F-30, nothing else. rolled the reverb dice on that one, scored for sure.

My '72 F-112 fit in my '75 F-30 case perfectly. When I bought my F112 new in 1973, it some how didn't come with a case. It lived in a cheap dreadnaught case for many years until I found a well used F30-F112 case here on LTG a few years back.

It has always annoyed me a bit that I got both my F112 and F30 in the "cheap era" of screened on headstock logos instead of inlaid MOP.

mavuser · Feb 28, 2018

lonesome picker said:
My '72 F-112 fit in my '75 F-30 case perfectly.

yes that sounds absolutely correct, those 2 would share the same case (same case as my 1975 F-112). thanks for reporting in! nice stash! you have the same exact guitar in 6 and 12 string configurations.

chazmo · Mar 1, 2018

adorshki said:
They just followed the evolution of the F30 bodies they were based on.

Right, and same comment applies to the F-30.

I wonder if they made F-312s with both body styles (I think these were also based on F-30 body style, though in r/w)

I haven't often seen the two variants side-by-side. It's quite striking. And, in Mav's case, an embarrassment of riches!

mavuser · Mar 1, 2018

chazmo said:
Right, and same comment applies to the F-30.

I wonder if they made F-312s with both body styles (I think these were also based on F-30 body style, though in r/w)

I haven't often seen the two variants side-by-side. It's quite striking. And, in Mav's case, an embarrassment of riches!

i thought the F-312 was based on the F-212, 16 inch lower bout? whos got the Hans manual handy

and yes I have plenty to be embarrassed about...those 2 guitars, however, are not on that list

chazmo · Mar 1, 2018

Oh, you might be right, Mav... In any case, I don't know if the F-312 ran sufficiently long to see any significant changes.

mavuser · Mar 1, 2018

chazmo said:
Oh, you might be right, Mav... In any case, I don't know if the F-312 ran sufficiently long to see any significant changes.

there are some early ones and then it goes into the 70's. it must have changed shape along with the others (and a quick google image search indicates indeed it did...)

chazmo · Mar 1, 2018

Cool! Another factoid to add to Guild lore. The pictures I see in The Bible are of the earlier flat-bottomed versions. BTW, I'm not sure which 6-string body style was used as the baseline, but I agree that it's likely F-312 and F-212 (not XL) both shared same.

mavuser · Mar 1, 2018

chazmo said:
Cool! Another factoid to add to Guild lore. The pictures I see in The Bible are of the earlier flat-bottomed versions. BTW, I'm not sure which 6-string body style was used as the baseline, but I agree that it's likely F-312 and F-212 (not XL) both shared same.

you raise a good point I had not thought of, Chaz. I believe you would have to jump all the way into the 1980's and beyond to find a 16 inch lower bout Guild 6-string (GF-50, GF-55), I *think*

hansmoust · Mar 1, 2018

chazmo said:
Cool! Another factoid to add to Guild lore. The pictures I see in The Bible are of the earlier flat-bottomed versions. BTW, I'm not sure which 6-string body style was used as the baseline, but I agree that it's likely F-312 and F-212 (not XL) both shared same.

mavuser said:
you raise a good point I had not thought of, Chaz. I believe you would have to jump all the way into the 1980's and beyond to find a 16 inch lower bout Guild 6-string (GF-50, GF-55), I *think*

The F-212 and F-312 were based on the F-47 body shape.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

Westerly Wood · Mar 1, 2018

hansmoust said:
The F-212 and F-312 were based on the F-47 body shape.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

Hans, would the F48 be same body as 47?

http://westerlyguildguitars.com/guitars/f48.html

hansmoust · Mar 1, 2018

Westerly Wood said:
... would the F48 be same body as 47?

If we're talking '70s then the F-48 would be a full 17-inch wide body; so basically the same size as an F-50(R).

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

adorshki · Mar 1, 2018

Westerly Wood said:
Hans, would the F48 be same body as 47?

hansmoust said:

The F-212 and F-312 were based on the F-47 body shape.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

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Darn he beat me to it.
Just a couple of days ago I was realizing those 12-ers were also part of what I call the F40 family because as he said they're based on the F47, came out next year after that guitar ('65) which replaced the F40 for a while.

mavuser said:
you raise a good point I had not thought of, Chaz. I believe you would have to jump all the way into the 1980's and beyond to find a 16 inch lower bout Guild 6-string (GF-50, GF-55), I *think*

Um, see my "F40 Lovers Unite" thread: http://www.letstalkguild.com/ltg/showthread.php?195241-F40-Lovers-Unite!!
There was always a 16" lower bout F bodyin the line under a variety of different names: F40;F47;F44, then the GF's, then F47's again and the cutaway electric versions starting with F45ce through F65ce, and the F212/312, and the GV's....
That's why in that thread I proposed that the F40 body shape is at least one of, if not the most prolific model Guild ever made, might even have more variants than the dreadnought body, I just haven't counted yet.

Westerly Wood · Mar 1, 2018

ah ok, thanks. so the 17 in starts with the F48 and thus 50 etc.
the F212, 312 and 412 are then like F47?
while the F512 is more like F50?

hard to keep it all straight and i would leverage your great book, alas Abby ate it a few years ago and...

adorshki · Mar 1, 2018

Westerly Wood said:
ah ok, thanks. so the 17 in starts with the F48 and thus 50 etc.

NO, the F48 was an ill-starred attempt at a 'hog-bodied version of the F50 when F50 and F50r were already established models. It only lasted 3 or 4 years.
IIRC F40 and F50 are the first 2 Guild flattops. (Might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the M-and F-20 and F-30 followed later. At the very least the F40 and F50 have both been around since at least the late '50's in one form or another.)
But that 17" lower bout is being used in Oxnard and being dubbed "F40" even though they say in their description it's based on the F48, which is vexing me greatly.

Westerly Wood said:
the F212, 312 and 412 are then like F47?

Right. Same body with top braced for 12-strings.

Westerly Wood said:
while the F512 is more like F50?

Technically the F50r, rosewood body.
The F412 maple archback is based on the F50

Westerly Wood said:
hard to keep it all straight and I would leverage your great book, alas Abby ate it a few years ago and...

Hey it's taken me close to 10 years and I still misremember stuff even when I refresh my memory by checking the book.
It just isn't handy here where I post from, I keep it at home.
I just keep my fingers crossed Hans hasn't gotten tired of correcting me where needed.
:glee:

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