F-112 questions

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asking for a freind, ha.

are they all long scale? is there any period short scale?

it looks like the shape changed in the 70s it got more "round" like a Gibson jumbo, less like a F-20 or Martin 00. what does the change in shape signify? when did it occur? I don't have Volume 1 with me. thanks!
 

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thanks guys, there are clearly 2 different versions of body shape. the Hobokens look more like an F-20 or Martin OO shape. mid-late 70s looks like a Gibson jumbo shape.
 

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Also, those 70's mini jumbo bodies have a slightly deeper body.

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are they all long scale? is there any period short scale?
Don't think I've EVER heard of a shortscale 12-er from Guild.


what does the change in shape signify?
The usual Guild casual disregard for things like consistency and tradition.
A way of preventing buyers from getting complacent about specs and putting off a purchase because they can never be sure what'll happen before they buy "the one they're thinking about"....also keeps potential new customers coming back to see if they've offered something with the specs they're after, yet.
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when did it occur? I don't have Volume 1 with me. thanks!
Taking a wild guess maybe the change in shape is what led to discontinuation of the F112? (so maybe that date could be used as an approximation?)
And don't think the shape change date is detailed in the Guild Guitar Book.
 

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thanks guys, there are clearly 2 different versions of body shape. the Hobokens look more like an F-20 or Martin OO shape. mid-late 70s looks like a Gibson jumbo shape.
Yes, three very different animals. I was on the search some time ago and had the same question, so I had a conversation with Hans about them. Hans told me due to the high number of daily questions he has not much time to chat about different models, so I allow myself to repost what he explained to me:

"The '60s style F-30 body is more like a fingerstyle guitar with good definition and not a very deep voice. Really nice sounding in a 12-string. Not very aggressive. Bright and clear with not too much low end.
The '70s style F-30 body is more like a small jumbo; very well suited for fingerstyle but great for strumming. The deeper body gives it a nice 'low end' rumble, that some people like.
If you're a strummer, you should go for the '70s style but if you like intimate fingerstyle, the '60s style might be the better choice.
"

From my point of view I liked the look of the 60ties style much more.

Basically:

The 1968/1969 Hoboken is a physically lighter and smaller instrument. (similar to F30 body). 15 1/4" wide and 4 1/2" deep. 25 1/2" scale.
1970-1975 The Westerly is a small jumbo built like a tank.
In 1976, the body size changed to 15 3/8" body width and 4 7/8" body depth.

Until the end of 1977 they didn't have any position markers on the fret board.

1968 model: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1497461559/qkqjczjdlffuwkfngh6y.jpg
1975 model: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1461435394/wgqmrj254mtalwxupfin.jpg
1979 model: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1504297245/zvrs6fvadzyxwwyxccb6.jpg

Ralf
 

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Yes, three very different animals. I was on the search some time ago and had the same question, so I had a conversation with Hans about them. Hans told me due to the high number of daily questions he has not much time to chat about different models, so I allow myself to repost what he explained to me:

"The '60s style F-30 body is more like a fingerstyle guitar with good definition and not a very deep voice. Really nice sounding in a 12-string. Not very aggressive. Bright and clear with not too much low end.
The '70s style F-30 body is more like a small jumbo; very well suited for fingerstyle but great for strumming. The deeper body gives it a nice 'low end' rumble, that some people like.
If you're a strummer, you should go for the '70s style but if you like intimate fingerstyle, the '60s style might be the better choice.
"

From my point of view I liked the look of the 60ties style much more.

Basically:

The 1968/1969 Hoboken is a physically lighter and smaller instrument. (similar to F30 body). 15 1/4" wide and 4 1/2" deep. 25 1/2" scale.
1970-1975 The Westerly is a small jumbo built like a tank.
In 1976, the body size changed to 15 3/8" body width and 4 7/8" body depth.

Until the end of 1977 they didn't have any position markers on the fret board.

1968 model: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1497461559/qkqjczjdlffuwkfngh6y.jpg
1975 model: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1461435394/wgqmrj254mtalwxupfin.jpg
1979 model: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1504297245/zvrs6fvadzyxwwyxccb6.jpg

Ralf[/QUOTE


Are the f30’s from the 70’s small jumbo as well or just the f112 ?
 
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Ray, you should really look at what Joe did years ago, made the F112 a 6 string. So have that wide fingerstyle like nut width but only 6 strings.
 

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The FS4612CE...from the mid 80's...is short scale, 24 3/4, 24 fret...the only other short scale 12 strings I've seen would be the Orpheum and maybe the Doyle Dykes models, both recent.
 

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Ray, you should really look at what Joe did years ago, made the F112 a 6 string. So have that wide fingerstyle like nut width but only 6 strings.
Yeah, look what I did. :crazy:

ibSa2f.jpg

F112-6

It's a great little 6 string!

Joe
 

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In the 60ies the F-30 was 15 1/8" x 19 1/2" X 4 1/8" with 24 3/4 scale.
In the 70ies they were 25 1/2" scale and 15 1/2" x 19 1/2" x 4 7/8". That info is from page 118 in Hans book.

1968 F-30: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1492282855/c6u9q4d6pezii4z3dc9j.jpg
1973 F-30: https://images.reverb.com/image/upl...0,w_1600/v1426100985/xk6s2fhayszmj2jrnrrb.jpg

Ralf

Yeah yeah , I guess I’m wondering on the “ small Jumbo spec”’ in this case the 4 7/8’s body depth .

My cv-1 is 4 1/2 and lower bout is 15 13/16 .
I’m interested in knowing if any f30’s carried the 4 7/8’s depth ?
 

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Joe, that "F-112" (a.k.a. F-106) is really cool!:beguiled:

That's "F112-6" copied from Porsche's naming convention for the 914-6 (6 cylinder version of a 4 cylinder design).
If you ask me how I know, I'll confess to being the culprit who came up with the suggestion.
Yeah yeah , I guess I’m wondering on the “ small Jumbo spec”’ in this case the 4 7/8’s body depth .

My cv-1 is 4 1/2 and lower bout is 15 13/16 .
I’m interested in knowing if any f30’s carried the 4 7/8’s depth ?
Am I missing something?
Ralf's post indicates they got 4-7/8 depth in '76.
 
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the fs4612ce...from the mid 80's...is short scale, 24 3/4, 24 fret...the only other short scale 12 strings i've seen would be the orpheum and maybe the doyle dykes models, both recent.

Thank you. I was wondering about yours, figured if anything that might be the lone candidate from Westerly era, at least.
And wasn't sure about Orpheums either.
 
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