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No big shot... just a lowly Prof teaching Cell Biology to 500+ students per year. Couple more years before I retire, then I'll have more time, but less $$$...

I used to take each Guild I purchased to Tom for a new nut/saddle/setup when it came in... but when I got to 10, I decided I should learn to do it myself. So I spent $300 on tools at StewMac, and learned to make nuts and saddles. I have almost broke even by now...

I take one of my Guild DV-7Xs to Thursday night jam at Wasatch Music (~9400 S 700 East) 2-3 times a month. Music is mostly bluegrass, but pretty much anything goes (I play cowboy and folk stuff). You should stop by some Thursday (PM me, and I'll let you know f I am going that week)...

Sorry for the veer...

Man I wish I had you guys close just to hang with every once in a while , cell biology how cool !

All I get is redneck tobacco spitting gas passing fools who can only talk about male anatomy , talk about denial...... example guy at work mix blood African but red neck selling candy bars for his kid . I ask if has chocolate he say yes stands up and starts undoing his pants .

So yeah cell biology , micro biology , quantum physics , F’n Chaos theory for Pete’s sake would be a Gods send !!!
 

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Man I wish I had you guys close just to hang with every once in a while , cell biology how cool !

All I get is redneck tobacco spitting gas passing fools who can only talk about male anatomy , talk about denial...... example guy at work mix blood African but red neck selling candy bars for his kid . I ask if has chocolate he say yes stands up and starts undoing his pants .

Look at it this way:
You live in target-rich environment for lyrics.
You know anyone who wants to hear lyrics about quantum physics?
Besides Yes fans?

:tongue:
 
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...So yeah cell biology , micro biology , quantum physics , F’n Chaos theory for Pete’s sake would be a Gods send !!!

I'm here for you, Ray! Here's my reading list for the past several years.....

Chaos, Making a New Science [1987] -- James Gleick

Complexity, Life at the Edge of Chaos [1992] -- Roger Lewin

Complexification -- John Casti

Journey to the Great Attractor [1994]-- Alan Dressler

The Matter Myth -- Paul Davies

The Cosmic Blueprint [1988] -- Paul Davies

God and the New Physics -- Paul Davies

The Red Limit [1977]-- Timothy Ferris

Coming of Age in the Milky Way -- Timothy Ferris

The Mind's Sky -- Timothy Ferris

The Key to the Universe [1977] -- Nigel Calder

QED, The Strange Theory of Light and Matter -- Richard Feynman

Surely Your Joking, Mr. Feynman! -- Richard Feynman

What Do You Care What Other People Think? -- Richard Feynman

Cosmic Catastrophes [1989] -- Clark Chapman, David Morrison

Searching For Certainty [1990] -- John L. Casti

Dreams of a Final Theory [1992] -- Steven Weinberg

The Cosmic Code [1982] -- Heinz Pagels

The God Particle [1993] -- Leon Lederman with Dick Teresi

Genius, The Life and Science of Richard Feynman [1995] -- James Gleick

At Home in the Universe [1995] -- Stuart Kauffman

The Origin of The Universe [1994] -- John D. Barrow

The Quark and the Jaguar [1995] -- Murray Gell-Mann

The Last Three Minutes [1994] -- Paul Davies

The Nemesis Affair [1986] -- David M. Raup

Cosmic Coincidences [1989] -- John Gribbin and Martin Rees

The Collapse of Chaos [1994] -- Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart

The Milky Way, Fifth Edition [1941-1981] -- Bart Bok, Priscilla Bok

A Hundred Billion Stars [1984] -- Mario Rigutti

Chaos in the Cosmos [1996] -- Barry Parker

A Brief History of Time -- Stephen Hawking

Black Holes and Baby Universes [1993] -- Stephen Hawking

Exploring the Galaxies [1976] -- Simon Mitton

The Three Big Bangs [1996] -- Dauber and Muller

Mysteries of the Milky Way [1991] -- Goldsmith and Cohen

The Edges of Science [1990] -- Richard Morris

The Privilege of Being a Physicist [1989] -- Victor Weisskopf

Feynman's Lost Lecture [1996]

Cosmic Rays, Tracking Particles From Outer Space [1989] -- Michael Friedlander

Quarks, The Stuff of Matter [1983] -- Harald Fritzsch

How Nature Works [1996] -- Per Bak

In The Beginning, After COBE and Before The Big Bang [1993] -- John Gribbin

The Secret Melody [1995] -- Trinh Xuan Thuan

Neils Bohr, A Centenary Volume [1985] -- French and Kennedy, eds.

The Particle Garden [1995] -- Gordon Kane

The Edge of the Unknown [1996] -- James Trefil

Einstein's Legacy -- Julian Schwinger

The Whole Shebang [1997] -- Timothy Ferris

Creation, The Story of the Origin and Evolution of the Universe [1988] -- Barry Parker

In Quest of Quasars [1969] -- Ben Bova

The Twin Dimensions, Inventing Time & Space [1986] -- Geza Szamosi

Blind Watchers of the Sky [1996] -- Rocky Kolb

Heisenberg Probably Slept Here [1997] -- Richard P. Brennan

Beyond the Known Universe, From Dwarf Stars to Quasars [1974] -- I.M. Levitt

The Dark Side of the Universe [1988] -- James Trefil

Perfect Symmetry [1985] -- Heinz Pagels

The Very First Light [1996] -- John C. Mather and John Boslough

The First Three Minutes [1977] -- Steven Weinberg

Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers [1949] -- Max Planck

The Cosmos from Space [1987] -- David H. Clark

Rain of Iron and Ice [1996] -- John S. Lewis

Worlds Unnumbered, the Search for Extrasolar Planets [1997] -- Donald Goldsmith

Why People Believe Weird Things [1997] -- Michael Shermer

Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid [1979] -- Douglas Hofstadter

The Inflationary Universe [1997] -- Alan H. Guth

Wrinkles in Time [1993] -- George Smoot, Keay Davidson

The Meaning of It All, Thoughts of a Citizen-Scientist [1998] -- Richard P. Feynman

The Light at the Edge of the Universe [1993] -- Michael D. Lemonick

Chaos and Harmony [2001] -- Trinh Xuan Thuan

The Fifth Miracle, The Search for the Origin of Life [1998] -- Paul Davies

Paradigms Regained [2000] -- John Casti

The Essence of Chaos [1993] -- Edward N. Lorenz

Thinking in Complexity [1997] -- Klaus Mainzer

The Social Meaning of Modern Biology [1986] -- Howard L. Kaye

Origins of Life [1985] -- Freeman Dyson

In Search of the Ultimate Building Blocks [1997] -- Gerard 't Hooft

The Large, the Small and the Human Mind [1997] -- Roger Penrose

The Structure of Scientific Revolutions [1962, 1970] -- Thomas S. Kuhn

Beyond the Black Hole, Stephen Hawking's Universe [1985] -- John Boslough

The Thermodynamics of Pizza [1991] -- Harold J. Morowitz

Billions and Billions [1997] -- Carl Sagan

Beyond the Quantum Paradox [1994] -- Lazar Mayants

Guns, Germs, and Steel [1997] -- Jared Diamond

Einstein, A Centenary Volume, [1979] -- A.P. French, ed.

Science and Beyond [1986] -- Steven Rose and Lisa Appignanesi, eds.

Science a la Mode [1989] -- Tony Rothman

Goodbye, Descartes [1997] --Keith Devlin

The Runaway Universe [2000] -- Donald Goldsmith

General Relativity From A to B [1978] -- Robert Geroch

Quantum Reality, Beyond the New Physics [1985] -- Nick Herbert

A Tour of the Calculus [1995] -- David Berlinski

A Beautiful Mind, The Life of Mathematical Genius and Nobel Laureate John Nash [1998] -- Sylvia Nasar

Euler, The Master of Us All [1999] -- William Dunham

Thomas Kuhn: A Philosophical History for Our Times [2000] -- Steve Fuller

The Fabric of the Cosmos [2004] -- Brian Greene

The Life of the Cosmos [1997] -- Lee Smolin

The Universe at Midnight [2001] -- Ken Croswell

Galaxies and Quasars [1979] -- William J. Kaufman

Conflict in the Cosmos, Fred Hoyle's Life in Science [2005] -- Simon Mitton

Big Bang, the origin of the universe [2004] -- by Simon Singh

How The Universe Got Its Spots [2002] -- Janna Levin

From Quarks to the Cosmos, Tools of Discovery [1995] -- Leon Lederman, David Schramm

The Big Questions [2002] -- Richard Morris

Alpha and Omega, The search for the beginning and end of the universe [2004] -- Charles Seife

Supersymmetry [2000] -- Gordon Kane

Black Holes and Time Warps [1994] -- Kip Thorne

The Universe, the 11th Dimension, and Everything, What we know and how we know it [1999] -- Richard Morris

Faster, The Acceleration of Just about Everything [2000] -- James Gleick

Before the Beginning, Our Universe and Others [1997] -- Martin Rees

The Life of the Cosmos [1999] -- Lee Smolin

The Cosmic Landscape [2006] -- Leonard Susskind

Chasing Hubble's Shadows [2006] -- Jeff Kanipe

Cosmic Clouds: Birth, death, and recycling in the galaxy [1997] -- James Kaler

Many Worlds in One [2006] -- Alex Vilenkin

Endless Universe, Beyond the Big Bang [2007] -- Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok

Origins: How the Planets, Stars, Galaxies, and the Universe Began [2006] -- by Stephen Eales

Poetry of the Universe [1995] -- by Robert Osserman

Extreme Stars, At the Edge of Creation [2001] -- by James Kaler

A Madman Dreams of Turing Machines [2006] -- by Janna Levin

The Trouble With Physics [2006] -- by Lee Smolin

Dark Cosmos, In search of the Universe's missing mass and energy [2006] -- by Dan Hooper

Bubbles, Voids, and Bumps in Time: The New Cosmology [1991] -- James Cornell, Ed.

The Mystery of the Missing Antimatter [2007] -- Helen Quinn & Yossi Nir

The Black Hole War [2008] -- Leonard Susskind

Not Even Wrong [2006] -- Peter Woit

Origins, Fourteen billion years of cosmic evolution [2004] -- Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Donald Goldsmith

The Lightness of Being, Mass, ether, and the unification of forces [2008] -- by Frank Wilczek

The State of the Universe, A Primer in Modern Cosmology [2006] -- Pedro Ferreira

Brave New Universe [2006] -- Paul Halpern and Paul Wesson

Empire of the Stars [2005] -- Arthur I. Miller

The Origins of the Future [2006] -- John Gribbin

You Are Here: A Portable History of the Universe [2009] -- Christopher Potter

Our Cosmic Habitat [2001] -- Martin Rees

The Biggest Bangs [2002] -- Jonathan Katz

A Different Universe: Reinventing Physics from the Bottom Down [2005] -- Robert B. Laughlin

From Eternity to Here [2010] -- Sean Carroll

A Tear at the Edge of Creation [2010] -- Marcelo Gleiser

Why Beauty is Truth: A History of Symmetry [2007] -- Ian Stewart

A Grand and Bold Thing [2010] -- Ann K. Finkbeiner

Feynman's rainbow [2003] -- Leonard Mlodinow

The Scientist as Rebel [2006] -- Freeman Dyson

Strange universe [2004] -- Bob Berman

Einstein's Telescope; the hunt for dark matter and dark energy in the Universe [2010] -- Evalyn Gates

The Birth of Time: How Astronomers Measure the Age of the Universe [2001] -- John Gribbin

Water Music [1982] -- T.C. Boyle

Massive, the missing particle that sparked the greatest hunt in science [2010] -- Ian Sample

The Grand Design [2010] -- Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow

The Hidden Reality [2011] -- Brian Greene

Cycles of Time [2010] -- Roger Penrose (could not finish!)

The Book of Universes [2011] -- John D. Barrow

A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing [2012] -- Lawrence Krauss

How Old is the Universe [2011] -- David A. Weintraub

The Shape of Inner Space: String Theory and the Geometry of the Universe's Hidden Dimensions [2010] -- Shing Tung Yau, with Steve Nadis
 

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NI take one of my Guild DV-7Xs to Thursday night jam at Wasatch Music (~9400 S 700 East) 2-3 times a month. Music is mostly bluegrass, but pretty much anything goes (I play cowboy and folk stuff). You should stop by some Thursday (PM me, and I'll let you know f I am going that week)...

Sounds like a kick! I'll have to try that one of these weeks....
 

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Cougar get in some serious reading time !

Rayk,

Funny thing about that D-55 mentioned above. I took all the measurements and checked them twice and had a new bone saddle made by Bob Calosi ( sp ) and I think the low E came out just a touch low. I may try and dial in a touch more relief to remove the tiny bit of string buzz, if I play high up the neck. I may be the only one it bothers though. So, making my OWN nut and saddle and approaching the sweet spot, may someday be worth it.
 

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Cougar get in some serious reading time !

Rayk,

Funny thing about that D-55 mentioned above. I took all the measurements and checked them twice and had a new bone saddle made by Bob Calosi ( sp ) and I think the low E came out just a touch low. I may try and dial in a touch more relief to remove the tiny bit of string buzz, if I play high up the neck. I may be the only one it bothers though. So, making my OWN nut and saddle and approaching the sweet spot, may someday be worth it.

Cool , Bob is an awesome guy . When I get the D55 set I’ll be doing my F212xlce as a guess I’d say the action is about 3/32 to 4/32 . I’ll confirm the measurements when I get my gauge .

In reference to Al’s comments at the start I forgot that the F212xlce is a New Hampshire model and the fingerboard is spot on . The action is just a tad to low .

I’m thinking a way to make a saddle sander low cost of coarse something to make sure the bottom is true .
 

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Hi, John.

Have you considered reinstalling the original saddle the guitar came to you with?

Also just occurred to me: as a prototype they may have been more concerned with build process than perfect fretboard as on a production instrument?
Might be a good idea to have a luthier check the fretboard for plane?
 

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Neal,

I haven't yet. I was really shooting for the same action and playability as my F47R. It may be with Medium strings, that just isn't going to happen.

Al,

I was going to take it to a local guy for a quick eyeball. I just haven't made the time. I hope it can be made easier to play.
 

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ok pics and play

I know the D55 action needs to come down some but since I got my new toy I'm posting my guitars heights

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Ben Wilborn Gloria , On her I did request the action be a little high again because of my tunings
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and for the heck of it the Tool itself LOL cheap and nicely laser'd cut for 9 bucks
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ok so to blab on a bit forgive me for combining this all LOL
I looked up the string action height before but never remembered what they were and many folks have different ideas which are personal specs .

All at the 12th fret ,

ok so Stewmac says
High E .070
Low E .090

Guitar maintenance says
High E .0625
Low E .0937

Fret not guitar repair says
High E 2/32" to 5/64" or .062 to .078
Low E 3/32" to 7/64" or .093 to .109

So it seems these numbers can go on and of coarse what you personally can get away with hahaha .

I feel its good to know the average numbers especially if end up doing some side work .

I know the nut heights should be added but I'm not going that far, AL you seem have a lot of free time post some numbers hahahaha :p
 

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Nice gizmo. I tend to like my action on the low E a bit high, even on my electrics. I dont like string rattle down there. I doubt any of mine are down to .100
 

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Nice gizmo. I tend to like my action on the low E a bit high, even on my electrics. I dont like string rattle down there. I doubt any of mine are down to .100

Slide player huh ? Lol
The gauge works better then using feeler gauges lol
 

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I do play some slide. I just ordered a few of that gizmo. $2.10 each Ebay. Same brand name.
 
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