F-412 Neck Reset

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did you ask Tom if he was working at Westerly in 1981 when your F412 was built? that would be cool. maybe he walked by it or parts of it one day :)

Think Tom was late '80's ( got corrected about it recently), but it's in his introductory thread. (Search "Fixit" posts)
 

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It's more than just string angle, although that's part of it. It's also about reducing the mass of the bridge and lowering the tension that causes the top to resonate. Shaving saddles and bridges is the low cost way around neck resetting but at the cost of compromising the sound of the instrument.
 

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I'm not a fan of shaving a bridge. It just ruins it for when the proper neck reset fix is done. I was lucky to get a NOS bridge from Hans Moust when I had my D 35 done. I think the fear of Guild neck sets is the large flat heel needs more steam, which can cause finish issues.

Bluegrassers attack the strings with a heavy pick attack. A low action would buzz.

Happy to know another guitar is good for a couple of decades.
 

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I have heard about the issue with Guild finishes at the neck joint. In fact, I recently saw pictures of a Guild 12-string for sale that the seller was touting a recent neck reset and it was really butchered. Tom Jacobs work on my 412 was flawless. I would defy anyone to inspect it and be able to tell if the neck had ever been removed. He just does beautiful work.
 

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I'm not a fan of shaving a bridge.
I used to be a purist and say "why bother? myself, but I saw several guitars here whose owners simply couldn't justify the cost of a reset, on guitars that wer so old tht it was possibl they'd reached a final point of stability where they were at, and in some cases had bridges so massive that taking a little off the top might have actually helped(!)
So now I can see a justification for it but only in certain circumstances.
It just ruins it for when the proper neck reset fix is done. I was lucky to get a NOS bridge from Hans Moust when I had my D 35 done. I think the fear of Guild neck sets is the large flat heel needs more steam, which can cause finish issues.
(Br I know you know this, but):
The neck joint's finished over and needs to be cut through no matter what.
Any Guild reset's going to need finish touchup to be truly "correct".
The large flat heel issue was more about surface area to be loosened up, and yes longer steam exposure can be required.
But recently our member Chris Cozad who's done his own fair share of great work explained something I hadn't recalled hearing before:
Because there was so much hand shaping involved in Guild's dovetails, it can be hard just to find the pocket with the steam needle. He showed an example of a guitar that need at least 2 attempts before he could finally start getting steam into the pocket.
Another issue that reared its ugly head was that if that nice flat heel we love is too thin, it can be damaged beyond recovery on removal or simply be too shallow to be able to be re-angled.
 
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Front and back pictures of GC's F-412 (before the neck reset) in one post:

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Interesting...why (it just seems like it to me) so many neck resets with Guild acoustics?

I haven't really hung on to any acoustics that long and usually buy new but it sure seems like this is a thing with Guild. Oh and I still love Guild.
 

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...why (it just seems like it to me) so many neck resets with Guild acoustics?
Every older acoustic steel string guitar needs a neck reset or two at some point in it's life. Taylors, Martins, Gibsons...has nothing to do with Guild.

http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/repair/acoustic-guitar/neck-resetting.php
http://acousticguitar.com/ask-the-expert-does-my-guitar-need-a-neck-reset/
http://www.guitarspecialist.com/neck.htm
https://www.gitarren-meckbach.de/gibson-acoustic-neck-reset/

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Interesting...why (it just seems like it to me) so many neck resets with Guild acoustics?

I haven't really hung on to any acoustics that long and usually buy new but it sure seems like this is a thing with Guild. Oh and I still love Guild.

You'll note the majority of 'em are on pre-80's era guitars, or 12-ers, and there's no telling what errors previous owners may have made in the proper care and handling.
And they get discussed here because we are after all a Guild forum.A 1979 guitar's 40 years old now.
FWIW< my '96 D25 has about 1400 hours of playing time on it, owned since new, always strung with factory spec D'A lights, always stored in case, has had 2 full refrets, and is still less than 1/32nd (maybe even a 64th?) off perfect neck alignment when laying a straightedge along the neck to meet the bridge.
 

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However, Guild does probably have more "surviving old" 12 string guitars out in the world, than any other builders.
 
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However, Guild does probably have more 12 string guitars out in the world, than any other builders.
Hmmm.....although they're widely recognized by players and even competitors as the king of the hill when it comes to 12's, their production volume was always so much smaller than any other "volume" producers that it wouldn't surprise me if somebody like Yamaha and/or Takamine or maybe even Martin or Ovation has actually out-produced 'em in pure numbers.
On the other hand I bet Guild 12's have a higher survival/restoration rate than any others over the years, because just about every other 12-srtring make I hear of requires a re-set far more quickly than the typical Guild 12-er and is rarely worth the cost.
PS just want to be sure you saw post #20 about why shaving bridges is an "iffy" thing.
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