¿Quién es más macho?
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chazmo
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That's really cool. Pretty much the same appointments on the two models. Never seen a "Bert Wheedon" Starfire before, GG. Is that yours?
GGJaguar
Reverential Member
Sadly, no.
The Guilds of Grot
Enlightened Member
The interesting thing about the Bert Weedon is there is no center block. He wanted it completely hollow.
GGJaguar
Reverential Member
Yes, which at first glance, appears to make it a double cutaway version of the mahogany DE, but the Weedon has more frets which pushes the neck pu closer to the bridge.
SFIV1967
Venerated Member
They were mostly if not exclusively sold in the UK only as far as I remember. (EDIT: and Canada, see post #14 below.)
Here was one on reverb as example:
Guild Bert Weedon semi-acoustic 1962/63 Cherry Red | Reverb
This is a beautiful guitar that I bought from the guitarist in a band called The Colourfield, 30 years ago. It's a limited edition from the early 1960's, endorsed and played by Bert Weedon himself. It may have a few scratches, as you would expect from a guitar over 50 years old, but it has all of...
reverb.com
Looking in GADs scan collection they were featured on the same page in the 1963 Boosey & Hawkes UK catalog:
Ralf
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chazmo
Super Moderator
Oh, that's totally cool. No wonder they got the same appointments... Same year, same catalog! Nice sleuthing, Ralf!
Guildedagain
Enlightened Member
Duane Eddy
matsickma
Senior Member
Does the Burt Weedon have more frets than a standard SF5 of that era? I think it was '67 when Guild shifted more of the SF double cutaway frets off of the body to improve access to higher frets which shifted the pickup and bridge location on the semihollow guitars.
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chazmo
Super Moderator
Good catch, M. That does look like a lot o' frets!
matsickma
Senior Member
Looks like the frets ho up to D on the 1st and 6th string so standard fretting for a SF4/5/6.
The SF1/2/3 go up to C. And the DE goes up to C.
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The SF1/2/3 go up to C. And the DE goes up to C.
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DeArmond Hammer
Member
I love the Starfire, but the DE400 hubba hubba is my grail.
SFIV1967
Venerated Member
That change happened in 1966. On the Starfire IV model the neck to body joint moved from the 16th to the 18th fret sometime between serial numbers EL-800 and EL-830. I have no pictures from 801 to 829, so can't say exactly. They both had 22 frets in total, same number of frets the Bert Weedon model had. And the Bert Weedon model still had the earlier 16th fret neck to body joint.
Hans had given a lot of info regarding the Bert Weedon model in an earlier discussion:
https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?threads/how-rare-is-the-bert-weedon-model.144963/
"The collaboration between Guild and Bert Weedon was initiated by Boosey & Hawkes who, as I mentioned in my earlier posting, were the distributors for Guild in the U.K.. Bert Weedon was already playing a Starfire III and it looks like they more or less used Bert Weedon' name for an instrument Guild was about to come out with. Pretty much the same situation as what happened with the Duane Eddy guitar."
"All the ones that are in my database were in England and Canada, which is not surprising since the distributors for Guild in the UK, Boosey & Hawkes, also covered Canada. I don't think the Bert Weedon Model was ever offered in the US."
Ralf
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Walter Broes
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Duane, of course. The guitar ànd the actual dude.