76/77 Guild M-80 resto

tomek

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Nice progress so far. Looking forward to more.

Thanks for the play-by-play!

edit - PS nice darker green or wine would be nice! :mrgreen:
 

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Have you considered applying a veneer to the top? If you did, you could expose the new grain and have the full options of finishes available. Either way, looks like fun.
 

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Ernest,

I just ran across you post today, and I must say so far I think your doing a great job. I have a lot of practice in turning trash into treasure, and not just with guitars. So I would like to throw a suggestion your way as to what to do with the plugs. It’s been my experience that when doing any repair you have three options. Make it seamless and invisible; not an option here. Cover it and hide it, as your thinking of doing now, and that works; or beautify it and disguise it to make it stand out. In this case that’s the direction I would be heading. I can see three ways of doing this on your guitar, and I will list them in a good, better, best order. Please keep your imagination open so you can see what I see in my minds eye.

Good: Pin striping in ether scrolls, Celtic, or tribal design covering most of the patch area and the entire seam. Not my favorite, but if done well could look ok but not great.

Better: Artwork on the patch. Think of tattoo type art. Perhaps a phoenix since your bring this back from the ashes. But then again that depends on your tastes in art.

Best: This is the one that I would go for. I would do inlays using various woods. And the inlay I see on your guitar would be keeping in Guild tradition; clusters of oak leaves and acorns. Even the patch down by the switch could be a single acorn.

Don’t be intimidated at the thought of doing inlay work. It’s really not that hard to do when the pattern is simple, and oak leaves and acorns are about as simple as it gets. And by going this route you won’t have to cover up any of that beautiful mahogany plus you’ll have a truly custom guitar. And who knows, to the right person, it could (not saying will, but could) increase what they’re willing to pay for it if you decide to sell it.

Inlay takes time and it takes some practice, but there are many great resources on how to on the web, in books, and on CD’s, as well as many luithier supply sources to obtain wonderful veneers and fillers. Think of it this way, the guitar has been tucked in the closet for the past ten years, so why rush it now? If it takes a few more months to complete and it comes out great, so what?

Well, those are my suggestion, and that's all they are…suggestions. Take them, leave them, combine them…what ever. Bottom line is that it YOUR guitar and you can do what ever you wish. Just don’t be contained in a box. Think outside the box and you may be pleasantly surprised on what you come up with. :D
 

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danerectal said:
Have you considered applying a veneer to the top? If you did, you could expose the new grain and have the full options of finishes available. Either way, looks like fun.
Not a bad suggestion young Dane, (me being the old Dane :lol: ). Just keep in mind that you will also need to replace the binding on the body and the neck to compensate for the new thickness of the body, however slight that may be.
 

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Looking at that patch, I wonder how much of the seam you could hide with a top-mounting Bigsby, or Guild top-mount Bigsby (which would be larger)...

It's more or less the same shape, but hard to eyeball size and don't know if the bridge to tailpiece spacing would be reasonable...

Just thinking that the grain match is really pretty darn good on the patch; it's just the seam that stands out...
 

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wow...that's the kinda responses I was hoping for. Great ideas here! and thanks for the kind words.

I am definately not excited about covering up the mahogany wood grain with paint but I'm just not sure I'm ready to tackle an inlay project. If I do decide to work with other woods to do an inlay it's going to take me forever to settle on the right pattern....I do like the idea of acorns and oak leaves....I guess the inlay wood could be oak? I also find it amusing to put acorns on the guitar...IMO a guitar is such a falic symbol...why not put some nuts on it. :D

I'm also looking into pyrography as solution but again...need to settle on a image.

Not sure I could pull off a new veneer top and reshape it unless I had another M-80 to reference. then your also getting into "re" locating the bridge, etc...yikes.

I watched a vid today where a guy was repairing an old mahogany rocking chair and used Gel Stains to hide the repairs so....

I'll post some more mock ups as I come up with them.

thanks again!

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Guild022.jpg


Some binding repair this weekend.

still undecided on how to finish the top.

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I finally got a Westerly acoustic. I'll try not to sound too excited out of consideration for the possible other forum member/s who I had a bid war with....but I feel totally relieved to have gotten this oppurtunity to own a Guild D4 E. From what I've read a close cousin of the D25 which is what I had been pining for and what I'd hoped to end up with as a trade for this M80 restored.

I'm going to restore the M80 for myself and have it displayed together with the D4.

could be the start of something addictive. I'm stoked to have these two American crafted instruments as a start to a possible collection. The D4 has a great story attached to it and I'll have to do some cosmetic work to it but it had been carried by a US soldier to both Fallujah and Kandahar Iraq.
 

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For some reason I love these resto threads...

Curious how this project turned out. Gotta say I like the green mock up..sort of a Gretsch thing going on there and its cool. If it was me, I'd go with a cool solid color like that.

T-Tops are nice pickups! I'd keep those but get some chrome covers for them. I'd also want a chrome tunomatic w/ stop tail vs. that black bridge, but that's me.

Hoping it turns out to be a real player!
 

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Hi Ernest; great project and thanks for the pictures. Have you considered a gold top? Pics of goldtop guitars here ... mostly Les Pauls ... but the pic below is a Bluesbird:

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I don't know if your guitar was originally offered in gold. You could ask our Hans Moust if it was .... but if you could fill the seams at your patches ... ok ... the grain goes bye bye but I think it would look pretty good ... 8)
 

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Hey Ernest,
Just noticed this thread, you're doing a great job thus far!!
Wondering if you've gotten any further on it or even finished it.
As for what to do with a finish on the your M-80, I think the capn
has a great idea with the gold top. Though I do like the mahogany, a painted
finish like a gold top is a simple elegant look :wink:

skinny
 

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Great task at hand there E.!!!

Cadillac Green (aka Gretsch ;) ) would be very very sexy cool, esp with a lil pearl mixed in to sparkle, shimmer it up.
2nd would a gold top, another sexy finish.

Good work in progress!
 

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sorry, just got it back out today. I picked up a beauty D-4 acoustic awhile back and put this project away. :lol: taking another look at it now....thanks for the inquires.
 

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Hey, what's the latest on this restoration? I feel like I'm halfway through a good book only to discover a bunch of missing chapters! :(
 

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these things take time....I get distracted.

It's black for now. I've definitely maybe will keep it painted. :lol:

I've got a Fender deluxe 5E3 that I'm building from scratch right now as well, they'll both come together soon.

I'm looking into a bigsby style bridge also or at least the original stop. I no longer like the bridge I got.

ernest

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Great stuff Ernest. It`s coming together nicely, I think you picked the right color.
Good idea going with the original bridge and tail peice, that other one you had
didn`t do much for me either. Keep up the good work and keep us posted.
 

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:x as hell. freakin ebay sniped on a original tail stop. I don't want to spend a fortune but any links to either a Bigsby with the Guild logo on it or a original stop please let me know.
 
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