'81 Guild D-25 SB review...

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The D-25 doesn't need to be introduced on this board: it is considered a classic of the Westerly era, and they receive (and deserve) a lot of love from the Guild fans, despite of the fact that they were considered the entry model of the Guild range. In particular, the most sought after are the first incarnation with flat back and mahogany top and the second one, with a laminated arched back and spruce top.

The latter reimaned on catalogue for various decades without remarkable changes, until the closure of the Westerly plant, and it was offered in various finishes including NT (natural), M(mahogany) and SB (sunburst). Sunburst guitars are not as common as the natural or the cherry ones, and it's difficult to find one in good shape. That's the reason why I bidded this particular guitar. Fortunately, I got her for a fairly decent price, 620$, plus shipping and custom duties (very reasonable this time, 30 euros).

Everytime you purchase a guitar online is a rick, because you don't know how it's going to play, this time I was lucky: the guitar arrived today,looks good and plays good as well:



I think that everybody here is familiar with the instrument, anyway a short description is mandatory: this is a 1981 D-25, mahogany neck, sides and back, spruce top, rosewood fingerboard and bridge, traditional dradnought style, VERY spartan features: a gold decal logo, single ply black binding on the back, fiveply b/w/b/w/b binding on the top, no binding on the headstock and fingerboard. Pearloid dot on the fifth, seventh, ninth and fifteenth fret, double on the twelth (no dot on the third fret).



It seems that with the beginning of the 80s Guild decided to upgrade the open back tuners used on the seventies' D-25s with a set of Schaller M6, that are original on this instrument (they branded Guild) and it's the only "modern" note of the guitar...for the other specs, the instrument could be a dreadnaught of the 40s or 30s.

What makes this guitar "special" at least to me is the tobacco sunburst finish, very beautiful on the top, and also very dark, as it can be noted in the pics. I was a little surprised to notice that the finish was sprayed OVER the traditional pickguard, and over the rosette, with the result that the decoration of the rosette ( two separate circles, the inner is single, the outer one is double) an the tortoise pattern of the pickguard can be noticed just in the tobacco teardrop area of the top:



The two white layers of the binding make a nice contrast with the almost black finish, while the rest of the instrument, neck, sides and arched back are finished in a very dark shade of cherry, that results almost burgundy, so dark that it's difficult to see where the black binding:



The nut, pins and saddle are made of cheap plastic, in particular, the pins are horrible and bent in order to prevent to slide off, while the saddle seems non original because very white, while the rest is aged ivory. Very beautiful on the other side, the rosewood of the bridge. This guitar looks VERY well, although it's not mint: there are several dings on the top, the back shows some buckle wear and the nitrocellulouse around the tuners are bubbled and show the mahogany underneath. This guitar was meant to be played, and was played a lot thorugh the years, but with some respect.



The guitar came with a black case with a Guild sticker, I don't know if it's original, and a set of fresh D'Addario phosphor bronze strings. Since I want to upgrade the plastic parts with bone, I decided to keep these strings, and I just worked a little the saddle in order to lower the action:



After this brief set up of the action and half a turn of the truss rod (that works flawlessly after 28 years, testament to the sturdiness of the old Guilds) I found the guitar being extremely confortable to play, even more than my new CV-2C and on the range of my Ovation, although the rosewoood of the fingerboard is pretty worn (one of his owners loved the D chord very much). The sound is what can be expected from a vintage guitar: the seasoned woods deliver a dry, crisp and brilliant sound, very well defined. Although dreads are usually meant for strumming, the D-25 can be used for solos or for fingerpicking, thanks to the definition of the single notes, unlike other guitars of the same shape. Probably the archback does play some role in this. As raw power, she doesn't seem the cannon other fans claim she is but the voice is strong and clear.



The guitar looks and sounds VERY good, this is what I expected. What I didn't expect is that a 28 years old guitar could be more confortable than modern instrument. As many know here, I'm not an hardcore fan of vintage instruments, because usually they have structural issues and they are quite limited in playing due to this. I don't think that this guitar will ever need a neck reset: it is built as a tank. The weight is also worthy of an armoured vehicle, and a brief inspection into the soundhole reveals the reasons: the neck block is the largest chunk of mahogany I've ever seen in an acoustic guitar, and the thickness of the X bracing is almost over the top. The guitar is definitely overengineered and that's a good thing, I see it difficult to imagine that thewer can be issues of neck resets or bridge lifting, if other D-25s have, I would guess that they had climatic problems (too much humidity, too dry etc..). The weight of the mahogany is also noticeable: the guitar is noticeably neck heavy, not that's a problem, it's almost reassuring. It is common in guitars of that era (Gibson Les Paul first) to find very dense woods,but this is the first time, at least for me, that I find this quality of mahogany in an acoustic instrument.

In conclusion, the only thing that I can say is that the D-25 is a great guitar and a great design. If you want a vintage sound without spending a lot and without worries, the spartan D-25 is the answer to your requirements.
 

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Re: '81 Guild D-15 SB review...

Great review.

But... D-15?

Dave
 

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Re: '81 Guild D-15 SB review...

Looks like the one I saw (and drooled over) recently on eBay. Same one? :mrgreen:
And yes, the subject line says D-15 but the text is true to what is reviewed.

Cheers,
Joe
 

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Thank you dave, to notice the error in the description, I fixed it now.

I'm a little tired today.
 

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Cuthbert,

I just went back and checked my notes....seems that you're the guy who outbid me on this one....by 10 bucks! You dog! :lol:

But seriously, congrats on a great buy. I really was drooling over this one. I stepped in for a quick shower that morning with the high bid and when I returned, it was gone! Oh well, I had a great shower.

Life goes on,
Joe
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Thanks for the review, and may you have many years of enjoyment.

Got there pretty quick it seems, so congrats all around!
 

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:D That's how me and our very own "California" met. David outbid me on a Carlo Greco by $10, I wish him luck.

D25's are fabulous guitars.

West
 

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cuthbert said:
It seems that with the beginning of the 80s Guild decided to upgrade the open back tuners used on the seventies' D-25s with a set of Schaller M6, that are original on this instrument (they branded Guild)

Hello cuthbert,

The machineheads on your D-25 may look like Schaller M6 tuners, but actually they are Japanese copies. Schaller M6 machineheads were used during this period but only on the more expensive models.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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cuthbert said:
......: the guitar arrived today,looks good and plays good as well:



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...... If you want a vintage sound without spending a lot and without worries, the spartan D-25 is the answer to your requirements.

Spartan D25 ??? Your new sunburst is the flashiest D25 I've seen.


Congrats on a very pretty score.
 

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hansmoust said:
cuthbert said:
It seems that with the beginning of the 80s Guild decided to upgrade the open back tuners used on the seventies' D-25s with a set of Schaller M6, that are original on this instrument (they branded Guild)

Hello cuthbert,

The machineheads on your D-25 may look like Schaller M6 tuners, but actually they are Japanese copies. Schaller M6 machineheads were used during this period but only on the more expensive models.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl

Thank you for the explanation, hans...do you also know the radius of the fingerboard?It could be of some help to make a bone saddle.

Regards, Alex.
 

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cuthbert said:
...do you also know the radius of the fingerboard?It could be of some help to make a bone saddle.

Regards, Alex.

Hello Alex,

As strange as it may sound in this day and age, Guild guitars from that particular period do not have a fixed fingerboard radius. The fingerboards were radiused 'by hand' and vary from one instrument to the next. If you would like to make a bone saddle, maybe you should make a cardboard template from your fingerboard and use that as a guide.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
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Congrats on finding a real workhorse of a guitar.
The only difference in my "go to a gig" D-25 and yours is that mine is a 1985 model, and it must have been broken in by being dragged down a gravel road behind a pick-up truck.
It is a star in Guilds crown that these old guitars can take so much user abuse and still have no real structure damage. Based on its looks, Yours should last forever.
Pick on.
Dale.
 

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J45dale said:
Congrats on finding a real workhorse of a guitar.
The only difference in my "go to a gig" D-25 and yours is that mine is a 1985 model, and it must have been broken in by being dragged down a gravel road behind a pick-up truck.
It is a star in Guilds crown that these old guitars can take so much user abuse and still have no real structure damage. Based on its looks, Yours should last forever.
Pick on.
Dale.

Thanks, Dale, do you have any pics to share?
 

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Cuthbert,
No pictures have been taken, ( as I can barely cut the computer on, much less post a picture ), but trust me, she has dents, cracks, cuts, cig burns on the headstock, capo damage on the neck, it even has auto (pink) bondo filing in two large holes on the back of the headstock. It even smelled of beer upon arrival. ( a ebay purchase ).
It must have spent its life with a traveling roadhouse band.
But it plays good, and sounds great, and I dont worry about it being dinged by a rough player.
So, she often goes out to play, while my D55 has to stay at home.
happy picken,
Dale.
 

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Hi Alex:

Congratulations on a fine acquisition. I also have a sunburst D-25, made in 1982. Mine is in similar good-but-played condition; I am the original owner.

The dark burst pattern gives the guitar a certain character, especially when in the company of natural-finish instruments. My nut & saddle are quite dark yellow (I kept the guitar on a stand for years, and the plastic yellowed from light exposure). I recently replaced the pins with black pins; this gives it an even darker appearance, and I'm considering finding a dark saddle to complete "the look".

I had a problem with bridge lifting. This was caused by dryness - I left the guitar on a stand in a heated, dry room during several Canadian winters. Since it was repaired, I keep it in its gig bag, humidified.

As for the neck-heavy balance, I find that using a leather strap counteracts any tendency to "neck dive". I installed a strap button at the base of the neck, and the rough leather grips my shoulder and holds the guitar in the proper position.

Again, congratulations and I hope you will enjoy the D-25 for many years!

cheers
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Graham said:
Ross said:
Hi Alex:

My nut & saddle are quite dark yellow. This was caused by dryness. Since it was repaired, I keep it in its bag, humidified.

cheers
Ross

Best of luck with that Ross. :shock: :lol:

:lol: I'll have to start paying more attention to what I write here!! :lol:
 
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