a couple of JS basses

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I thought about putting this in the "seen on eBay/etc." section but thought it would be more interesting here. I stopped into one of my relatively local GCs the other day and found a beat-up old JS-I:

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Unfortunately, I don't remember how much they want. It looks real beat-up, it was really light when I picked it up. I didn't plug it in. And it looks like the pickup is upside down?

In the meantime, while searching for a truss rod cover for my M-85 II, I found this on eBay:

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Gui...84?pt=Guitar&hash=item416a0dcfbc#ht_600wt_768

That looks much better, huh? There are actually a bunch of JS-II/JSB-2s on eBay right now, including a couple of acorn ones. It wasn't my intention to focus on all of them, just wanted to show the beater that I saw in person and the nice glossy one with the different bridge. But then I saw this, so I had to post one more pic:

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Guild-...pt=Guitar&hash=item256cb9f8a5#ht_12383wt_1052

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Thanks. I'm pretty sure I've seen other JS I's with upside down PUs. Since the mounting ring is correct I always figured someone grabbed from the wrong parts bin and didn't bother to correct it.
 

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Went digging through my old pictures, found a 1971 that was on sale at Rumbleseat Music that I was briefly considering (5 years ago!) - headstock face is interesting!

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I've never studied the JS with the care I have studied the Starfires. It is almost always safe to say that a SF I with a second PU and more controls is a SF II. Can't say that about the JS. I have seen JS I's with the PU upside down (or more properly with a bridge PU in the neck position), various pieces of chrome obscuring the absence of a second PU, and the much simpler headstock treatment shown above.
 

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fronobulax said:
I've never studied the JS with the care I have studied the Starfires. It is almost always safe to say that a SF I with a second PU and more controls is a SF II. Can't say that about the JS. I have seen JS I's with the PU upside down (or more properly with a bridge PU in the neck position), various pieces of chrome obscuring the absence of a second PU, and the much simpler headstock treatment shown above.

Wait, you mean Guild wasn't 100% consistent with their instruments?!!! :lol:

The carved JS with the "DEEP-HARD TONE SWITCH" tag also has the original registration card, which identifies it as a JSB-2-C-NB - try fitting that on a truss-rod cover!

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hieronymous said:
Went digging through my old pictures, found a 1971 that was on sale at Rumbleseat Music that I was briefly considering (5 years ago!) - headstock face is interesting!

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in an unpredictable and likely unprecedented chain of coincidental events...the JS-1 I referenced on a different thread, that I had my eye on...just a day or 2 before the above pic was posted, is nearly identical to this one (above), and was also for sale through Rumbleseat Music (the New Mexico location). I would have bet my paycheck it was the exact same instrument, that someone bought from, and later re-sold to, Rumbleseat, that was now for sale again...But-they have informed me, however, that they are in fact 2 different instruments, and the one i just bought was obtained from the original owner's daughter in New Mexico.

both of the basses were advertised as 1971's, but in the pics they sent me the serial # appears to be 70xxx (cant really see it-70100 ?)...which i looked up online and appears to be a 1972. here's the pics the store sent me. i hope to have the bass Fri, or maybe Sat/Mon if i dont catch Fed Ex here to sign for it.

very excited! luv the super heady headstock, looks like a Guild acoustic. it's missing the chrome string cover but the rest looks all original. cheers

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Wow - what are the chances of that happening? Congrats - looks like a nice bass! Interested to hear what you think of the "sludgebucker"!
 

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fronobulax said:
Nice. Looks like someone did some handiwork on the slots in the saddles.

I see what you mean, thanks for pointing that out. I wonder if they did that to lower the action? I actually like the action kind of high. guess ill just see how it feels and sounds when I get it. I suppose those saddles could be replaced if necessary, as others have posted on this forum. But i'll probably just leave it the way it is, at least for a while.
 

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If the saddles were dug into that far and the bridge is all the way down, it might need a neck reset. No big deal, I've had it done to these.
 

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If the saddles were dug into that far and the bridge is all the way down, it might need a neck reset. No big deal, I've had it done to these.

thanks for the input! i'm not so well versed in set ups and neck resets and such, but i definitely know who to ask when it comes to vintage bass guitars. they did tell me at the shop "the neck is straight" so hopefully that guy has pretty good vision and it is. from the pictures and what i was told by them...together with other research i've done, seeing on this site the bridge/saddles might have to be replaced regardless... i was confident i'd be happy with my purchase and the $ spent. obviously i'm not expecting a brand new bass, as it's 40 years old. i expected it would need some love, and i'm happy to provide for it...they did clean the volume and tone pots for me for free, which was nice cause i've never done that before.

also there was a NOS Guild humbucker that sold for $87 on ebay last night. maybe one of u got it? cheers... and the comments are appreciated!
 

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Checking back in...I did get the bass on Firday, and although i've had an extremely busy weekend i have played it maybe 2-3 hours so far. I'm extremely happy with it! it is a lot nicer than i thought it would be, they were very conservative with their description of it. it is set up basically new/perfect, the frets show no wear and the neck is like a 9-9.5 out of ten cosmetically, and it is dead straight. the body and hardware are all excellent+ , everything is there and clean. the flatwound strings are new or rarely played from a previous/recent setup.

with that said, this bass definately has had some sort of history, although it does not appear to have been played very much...it has definately been played, and from looking at it my best guess is that the neck reset has already been done on this instrument, and whoever did it definately knew exactly what they were doing...and is probably the same person that cut into the saddles-if that is indeed what was done-as they did a super neat and precise job with those as well...to the point that id question if there is even a chance they were cut deep like that original from the factory. there is also some signs of possible work in the nut area, although the nut looks original. not sure what mgod means about the brigdge being "all the way down" but it basically looks like it is, aside from what looks like 2 black washers between the bridge and the body...there might be some room to get it closer even just from adjusting it still. nothing looks wrong as far as I can tell.

one thing that i don't like or understand-and this is probably a big reason these basses get neck resets-why do they have the strap button drilled right into the neck joint? then the bass is hanging around your neck and all the pressure pulling on that screw/bolt/button whatever is concentrated right there to where it bolts onto the neck joint! i like playing standing up but didnt think of that until i was standing there with it around my neck...thus, i will be playing this bass seated in a chair/stool 99 percent of the time. the mustang bass has that button right on the horn of the body. id maybe add one like that to the back of the top horn on the jetstar body if i were a gigging bassist but for now that is definately not necassary. but the way they designed that would definately tweak the pressure of that neck jopint, right where that strap button bolts in, if it is strapped around your neck, nights and nights on end....right?

i will be uploading pictures later, and would love feedback as to the neck/reset and nut area. will also add my thoughts as to the tone/sound. im very happy though, cheers!
 

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There is a lot of reflection.

There are two metal plates visible. The bigger one, on top holds the saddles. The smaller one is on the body of the bass. The closer the two plates are the closer the bridge is to being "all the way down".

Never say never but I think the chances of those saddles having left the factory like that are slim to none. Just because it looks like it was a good and careful job doesn't mean the factory had to do it :wink:
 

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thanks Frono, there might be some room- milimeters or otherwise, to get the bridge lower with some tweaking. but like i said everything seems to be set up real nice for now.

and i know the saddles didnt come that way from the factory, just saying the whole package certainly appears to be professionally "set up/ reset" extensive work appears to have been done, looks and feels pretty damn good to me...although like i said prior signs of life/signs of love are there...including what looks like some glue that dripped from the nut area on the neck and was maybe scraped off? left a peeled layer of finish in the neck/nut area. here's some pics...there is lots of reflection in these shots too. feedback is welcome. cheers

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not sure what i did wrong in posting or uploading the pictures, the bass is a lot nicer than those super close up photos make it appear.

as for the sound/tone...everything it claims to be and more! that deep-hard switch certainly changes things..in the down position with the tone all the way "off" it sounds a bit like the Fender Mustang bass- a little bit of the "thump." in the up position...that is the swamp-thunder-sludge bucker for sure! sounds a little like the Gibson EB-0 bass...on steriods. so far sounds best in that position also with the tone all the way "off," but i have also found a sweet spot with the tone at about 4.5 in this "switch up" position. not higher or lower...so its tone "off" or at 4.5 for the switch in the up position, and the tone all the way "off" all day long with the switch down. so far those are the 3 settings that sound best. love the flat wound strings, the neck, the body...the bass sounds fantastic and the pick up is super hot/loud. in the up position i can only turn my amp volume/gain to about 2.5 (my amp is the Orange Terror 500 combo). in the down position the amp can go up to closer to 4. part of me just wants to call the up position "Gibson mode" and the down postion "Fender mode," and to some extent thats how it is...but this bad little weapon is all Guild, def has a feel and sound all of its own. for what it is im very happy and think i did very well. with all that said, i can see why someone would prefer a darkstar pick up on there, im sure that would sound amazing...although apples and oranges to the bucker. i will say now that i have it i'm very happy it has that "deep-hard" pickup switch. if u couldnt go into "Fender mode" there would not be so much versatility. but it sounds fantastic in both modes.
 

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I'm having trouble with your picture sizes but the shots of the neck joint definitely show finish flaws that are not present on my bass which suggests your neck may have been reset.

I don't think I have ever gotten a Fender sound out of my JS. Maybe I need to give it another chance, or play more Fenders ;-)
 

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fronobulax said:
I'm having trouble with your picture sizes but the shots of the neck joint definitely show finish flaws that are not present on my bass which suggests your neck may have been reset.

I don't think I have ever gotten a Fender sound out of my JS. Maybe I need to give it another chance, or play more Fenders ;-)

Frono- I didn't mean it is like a "signature Fender tone" like requiring a blindfold test, I just meant with the switch down it sounds a bit like Guild was going for that, like Guild's version of the Mustang. I don't know much about pickups but the Mustang has a "spilt single coil in humbucking position" whatever that means, basically a mini version of the P-bass. I'm not sure what happens on the JS-1 when the switch is "down" but it sounds alot more like a Mustang than the Guild in the "up" position (the sludgebucker), and basically cuts the volume/signal almost in half, at least on my bass. I think the flatwound strings add to that. I definitely did not expect that much variation in tone just from that "deep-hard" switch, working with just one pick-up. i though the bass just had the one traditional humbucker sound, but hitting that switch completely changes the sound-it is like night and day. Your bass might be different, but that's how mine is. I also think the type of amp you have makes a huge difference. One other thing about mine, and this may sound a little crazy-it sounds fantastic not plugged into any amp at all. possibly better than some acoustic basses when unplugged. maybe that is the flatwound strings and the vintage body, and short scale...but it sounds really cool unplugged.

My best guess on the history of this bass is that is was played some when it was new/close to new, and then kept in the case for a long, long, time-without de-tuning the strings, and so when it was re-discovered it probably needed a neck reset at that point or shortly after, just from sitting there in the case with tight strings all those years. It does not appear to have been played much at all. Also in that scenario if the steel strings were tight and just in the case for decades, they may have damaged/corroded the saddles a bit and so in cleaning them up, they maybe needed to be cut down to get rid of damaged portions of rosewood and then get the "valley" of each saddle precise enough for the corresponding string. That would definately require some modification. But thats just my guess, of course i'll never know on any of that...i just really like the bass.

I will try to fix the pictures later, but i'm not really questioning anything at this point. Happy with everything. I did not pay much more than what it would cost just to get a neck reset, and it has already been done. the bass is not a "closet classic/NOS" but its still pretty nice, and has been upkept/refurbished to a high standard, to the point that I should not have to have anything done for a long time. for being 40 years old i knew it had a history, figured it had been upkept/setup and didn't question it much when they told me at the store it looked and sounded pretty good, and they only had it for one year. They also said it was from the original owner's daughter. The neck on this bass is near perfect, and the body is excellent+ like in line with what you would expect from a new/floor model in a guitar store (aside from wear on the top edge). The back of the mahogany body is in amazing shape for it's age. the horns look new/near perfect, and the headstock is in that 9 out of 10 neighborhood as well. the signs of the neck reset and nut work/glue are there though...slight cosmetic blemishes and the fact the neck set is not original, and of course the modified saddles...that is what separates this bass from a true "closet find." But I could not be happier with it overall. Thank you all again for all the info.

and just a side note- I guess I like to compare the JS-1 to the Fender Mustang, just because it is another short-scale solid body bass that is out there, that only has one pick-up. Of course there is the Gibson EB-0 which is similar to the JS-1. So the Mustang bass just extends the subject that much further. also my gf has one, and it is the same year as the Guild I just bought. The 2 basses are not in the same zip code right now, but they should be soon so I will report back on that in all good time. will try to fix those pics later. cheers.

...pictures have been replaced with links on my previous post, thanks.
 

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I don't have the bass in hand but I keep thinking that I throw the switch "down" to get the bassier sound and "up" to get the brighter sound, but my memory could be shot. In general, in the "treble" position, the neck and bridge PUs sound pretty much the same. On my bass the deep/hard switch does not seem to effect the volume. I've played it with dead flats and dead rounds and switching between the dead strings does make a significant difference in the sound. It sounds similar to me regardless of the amp but the biggest difference in our subjective experience may be that my Starfire's Bisonic is "the Gold Standard" to which all other bass sounds are compared. Regardless, welcome to the club.
 

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fronobulax said:
It sounds similar to me regardless of the amp but the biggest difference in our subjective experience may be that my Starfire's Bisonic is "the Gold Standard" to which all other bass sounds are compared. Regardless, welcome to the club.

I have a tube amp with a very warm and punchy tone, no matter what bass is used with it. I don't know how to explain it but there are definitely bass amps out there that sound "opposite" my amp.

I think most would agree the Starfire/Bisonic is worth it's weight in gold (probably more if you actually put it on a scale)...and the crown jewel for sure in acquiring one...but in comparing it to other basses, it just sounds so different than anything else. I certainly was not chasing after a Starfire/Bisonic tone when I bought a Jetstar 1 :wink:

thanks for the welcome. I appreciate the insight and banter. cheers!
 
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