A GAD by any other name?

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Fender has Squier.
Gibson has Epiphone.
Should Guild consider calling the GAD line something else entirely?
Since I hear varying opinions of the GAD models (but uniformly high praise for USA Guilds) I worry they may have cheapened the brand by calling the offshore products Guild and confusing less discriminating customers.

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Granted, but doesn't anyone think the GAD line has served to lessen worldwide opinion of Guild guitars overall?
Can Guild afford that?
 

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Well, I should be a politician because I have argued for both sides depending on the situation. :mrgreen: I think it all begins with your impression of what a GAD is. My opinion is highly biased but I will give you my impression of your examples in addition to some others. While I can not vouch for electrics, I have played a Squier acoustic and they are unplayable pieces of particle board. They cost about $100 and are meant for the very beginner. Epiphone is a little higher up on the list, but the many I have played have bad finish jobs, have buzzing like a nightmare, and just sound dead. The Masterbilt series is another matter. Descent tone, all solid, but low end satin finish will do it for some but not others. Sigma by Martins were laminated low end imports for those who could not afford a Martin (check my sig. :D ). Tone wise it is not all there. Maderia by Guild were roughly the same. One common theme among all these is they were beginner/affordable models of pretty low end quality. They were made by a parent company with high reputations.

A lot has changed in the past 10 years in terms of quality imports. You have brands like Recording King, Blueridge, Eastman that are so good, they can hold their own with the big boys according to many people (maybe not majority but a significant amount). These guitars, in addition to GADs, are of quality build and materials and based on my experience sound great. Granted I have played duds, but I have also played real Guilds, Martins, Taylors, and Gibsons that would qualify as duds as well (it happens...nobody is perfect). Due to the increasing quality of imports, it seems some companies are beginning to slap their name on the guitar. It may be marketing. It may be that they are proud enough of the product to call it their own. It may be both. Several companies do it, including Martin, Taylor, Larrivee, and Gibson.

A bigger question is when does a Guild stop becoming a Guild? When it changes country of production? When it changes factory, or city, or state of production? For example and sake of argument, Larrivee started and still produces guitars in Vancouver. In 2001, they opened a factory in California. Are those still Larrivees? I doubt they transplanted the workers from Vancouver to work at the California plant. What they probably did was hire the locals to start producing guitars according to the Larrivee specs. Guild, according to their website, did the same with their imports.

Most guitar companies aim to have a diversity in their offerings. Usually a low end, middle or Standard, and a high end to appease the masses and their fat or thin wallets. Guild, like Taylor and Martin have started producing their low end in other countries to reduce cost of production while maximizing features (i.e. solid wood, Grover tuners, bone nut...for Guild at least). It is not all puppy dogs, rainbows, and butterflies because in the end you still get what you pay for. Any time you go to a store and pick up a $500 guitar, you shouldn't expect it to sound like a $5000 guitar. The average GAD will not sound like the average US made Guild (while there are exceptions). But should they? I would argue no since they are not even in the same price range. They fit to attract different audiences.

I'll stop here and I am sure you can figure out where I will stand on the issue....for today. Happy discussions and I hope this turns into an 18 page thread. :D
 

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Havent we been here and does this a few times over, Oh I see Archiestone is a new guy, in which case welcome along there fella, this ones kinda been done to death really: In summary I think we all agrree that the best thing about GADs is that they are an introduction to the world of Guild and are in no way the equivalent of a US made instrument. ( Does that about sum it up guys ?)

Cheers, Ian
 

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Ridgemont said:
Larrivee started and still produces guitars in Vancouver. In 2001, they opened a factory in California. Are those still Larrivees? I doubt they transplanted the workers from Vancouver to work at the California plant. What they probably did was hire the locals to :D
You know how it is... Once the product reached a certain level of popularity, we move production in some third world country to reduce manufacturing cost and increase margin. :shock: :lol: :lol:
 

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I asked this question a couple of years ago.
At that time, I owned a GAD JF-48.
Nice guitar but not on par with American crafted Guilds.

I would have rather seen them given a different name to protect the tradition of Guild, but Taylot and Martin are doing it and it doesn't seem to be doing anything negative to them.

So I'll just leave it up to the folks at Fender to do as they choose.
By the way, doesn't Fender also have some cheep imports in their name?
 

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guitardude said:
In summary I think we all agrree that the best thing about GADs is that they are an introduction to the world of Guild and are in no way the equivalent of a US made instrument. ( Does that about sum it up guys ?)

I think you are spot on....but I would like to add they are a Very Nice introduction.
 

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"Oh I see Archiestone is a new guy..."

Not exactly (note my join date) but you are correct, I don't linger long here all that often.
In the future I shall endeavor to proffer fresher topics.
-Archie
 

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archiestone said:
"Oh I see Archiestone is a new guy..."

Not exactly (note my join date) but you are correct, I don't linger long here all that often.
In the future I shall endeavor to proffer fresher topics.
-Archie
No worries Archie,

What is funny is that the GAD bashing has been around since the beginning of this current Guild forum (est. 2005). I did a search for GADs and found discussions that old. There is quite a wealth of pompous opinion and brutal honesty about the line. A lot has changed over the years, but 2 things have not: 1) several people's opinion about GADs and 2) the continuing existence and circulation of the line by Fender. One thing can not be denied. The GAD line introduces many many people to the world of Guild in the past 10 tumultuous years since Westerly closed.
 

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Ridgemont said:
A lot has changed in the past 10 years in terms of quality imports. You have brands like Recording King, Blueridge, Eastman that are so good, they can hold their own with the big boys according to many people
Coming from from someone very biaised in favor of American made guitars (yours truly), you have to count me in on the "impressed" camp as far as RK is concerned, and that is since very recently (yesterday to be precise)!
More to come on a new thread with pics etc, in the next few days..... :wink:
 

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archiestone said:
"Oh I see Archiestone is a new guy..."

Not exactly (note my join date) but you are correct, I don't linger long here all that often.
In the future I shall endeavor to proffer fresher topics.
-Archie

Hey No dont be like that, its all Ok, but yes this has been truly hashed over. We welcome your input, and good on you for starting a thread, good to see !!!
 

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bluesypicky said:
Ridgemont said:
Larrivee started and still produces guitars in Vancouver. In 2001, they opened a factory in California. Are those still Larrivees? I doubt they transplanted the workers from Vancouver to work at the California plant. What they probably did was hire the locals to :D
You know how it is... Once the product reached a certain level of popularity, we move production in some third world country to reduce manufacturing cost and increase margin. :shock: :lol: :lol:

Unfortunately the jobs go offshore with the product and then thirty years later you wonder where your manufacturing industry has gone .....
 

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bluesypicky said:
Ridgemont said:
A lot has changed in the past 10 years in terms of quality imports. You have brands like Recording King, Blueridge, Eastman that are so good, they can hold their own with the big boys according to many people
Coming from from someone very biaised in favor of American made guitars (yours truly), you have to count me in on the "impressed" camp as far as RK is concerned, and that is since very recently (yesterday to be precise)!
More to come on a new thread with pics etc, in the next few days..... :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you my friend need some help! you gotta tell me which one you got. I have been drooling over the maple troubadour of theirs for quite some time.
 

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Larrivee guitars have been and still are in Vancouver for a number of years. Jeans' son is in charge I believe, they manufacture the lower end of the line here, and do repairs too. The higher end ones are made in California, with Jean in charge.....he still hand picks logs to make the instruments, does all the sunburst spraying himself, and both locations make fantastic guitars... :D Steffan
 

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taabru45 said:
Larrivee guitars have been and still are in Vancouver for a number of years. Jeans' son is in charge I believe, they manufacture the lower end of the line here, and do repairs too. The higher end ones are made in California, with Jean in charge.....he still hand picks logs to make the instruments, does all the sunburst spraying himself, and both locations make fantastic guitars... :D Steffan
On a more serious note: Any idea what motivated the (partial) move to Calif?.... Is it a financial reason? Or Jean just wanted to spend time in his Calif beach home?... 8)
 

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taabru45 said:
Larrivee guitars have been and still are in Vancouver for a number of years. Jeans' son is in charge I believe, they manufacture the lower end of the line here, and do repairs too. The higher end ones are made in California, with Jean in charge.....he still hand picks logs to make the instruments, does all the sunburst spraying himself, and both locations make fantastic guitars... :D Steffan
I was hoping you would chime in Steffan. I silently dubbed you our resident Larrivee expert a while ago. :D Yes they are fantastic guitars. In fact, I almost bought a L-03R instead of my GAD a few years ago. I wanted to use Larrivee to illustrate my point about manufacturing locations because a Larrivee is a Larrivee and that is not disputed.
 

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bluesypicky said:
taabru45 said:
Larrivee guitars have been and still are in Vancouver for a number of years. Jeans' son is in charge I believe, they manufacture the lower end of the line here, and do repairs too. The higher end ones are made in California, with Jean in charge.....he still hand picks logs to make the instruments, does all the sunburst spraying himself, and both locations make fantastic guitars... :D Steffan
On a more serious note: Any idea what motivated the (partial) move to Calif?.... Is it a financial reason? Or Jean just wanted to spend time in his Calif beach home?... 8)
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