A Tale of Two M-75s - a few observations

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I love everything about the hollow M-75s. I love the basic idea of a hollow guitar with no f-holes. I love the contours of the body, the elegant tailpiece, and the overall perfect proportions. I was fortunate enough to find a clean semi-hollow 1972 Bluesbird about a year ago, and of course those full-size HB-1s can't be beat (I think I'm in the minority, but I prefer them to the earlier mini-hums). However, I've been hooked on Franzes since I owned a '59 T-100D a few years back; they have a bite and raggedness that's missing from ordinary P-90s. I count myself very lucky, then, to have found an incredible deal on a 1960 Aristocrat:

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Aside from the Gibson tailpiece, it appears to be all original (and I've located a suitable harp tailpiece thanks to Darryl Hattenhauer). It's not quite as clean as it appears in that photo - the lighting hides a few nicks and scratches - but it's in very good shape all over. Praise to Wolfe Guitars for both a great deal and an impeccable setup.

Having never actually played an Aristocrat before, I was still expecting a slightly different instrument from my Bluesbird for several reasons - the pickups, the location of the neck joint, the lack of a center block, the floating bridge, etc. Still, I'm surprised at just how different the two guitars sound and feel. The Franz pickups have the same hot bite that I recall from my T-100D, but the overall tone is much more mellow and lo-fi. It gets very grainy and compressed when overdriven, and there's less sustain. There's also a big volume drop in the middle pickup position, though the tone there has a nifty hollowness that almost recalls the "quack" of a Strat.

None of this is bad or good, just very different from the refined sizzle of the Bluesbird. In comparison, the two guitars seem more like products of their time - the Bluesbird is better at '70s overdriven rock and roll, and the Aristocrat excels at '50s Rockabilly and country/folk/Americana clean tones through a slap-back delay. Although it's close in size to a Les Paul, the Aristocrat sounds and plays like a big jazz box of the '50s - the hollow construction of the guitar is much more apparent than in my Bluesbird. I love the way that the Aristocrat's bridge pickup sounds like it's running through a cocked wah pedal when the tone is rolled back - the Bluesbird doesn't try for this tone.

Of course the Aristocrat, lacking a center block, is the lighter of the two guitars and louder acoustically. I feel more at home on its neck, partially due to the larger cross-section and partially due to the neck joint at the 16th fret; I'm used to playing traditional hollowbodies, and anything above about the 15th fret is terra incognita to my fingers. It's harder to bend strings than on the Bluesbird, though, which may be due to the bridge (and also to the tailpiece). I've noticed that the inlays are a bit cruder on the Aristocrat, but I can't say how much of that is due to shrinkage of the materials over time.

Overall, I'm very happy with the Aristocrat - though I think it will take me some time to discover how to get the best out of it. It reminds me of playing a '56 Gretsch Country Club I used to have, but without the inconvenience of a huge body and baseball-bat neck. I hope to do a video in the next week or so comparing the two M-75s - should be a blast.
 

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Super nice score, I'm jealous! Sounds like your pickups might be out of phase though, from your description of an unusually big volume drop. Fairly easy to remedy that, should you want to.
 

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Walter Broes said:
Sounds like your pickups might be out of phase though, from your description of an unusually big volume drop. Fairly easy to remedy that, should you want to.

Looks like you're right; they've been re-wired to cancel the hum in the center position. I'll bet it was done when the tailpiece was replaced (I actually have the repair stub, dated 1978 - a time when everybody wanted humbuckers).
 

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They still shouldn't be out of phase then - I've modded one of my Franz pickup guitars for the same thing - if you flip both the magnets and the wires coming out of the coil, you get humcancelling in the middle position, but not the typical out of phase sound or volume drop.
 

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I'm not sure I understand. What exactly has been done to my guitar? Did they flip the wires without flipping the magnets?
 

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They either flipped the magnets without flipping the wires, or they flipped the wires, without flipping the magnets.

If it sounds out of phase now, it's one or the other. taking a Franz apart is not hard, it shouldn't be too hard to check.

On a lot of pickups, you could check with a polarity tester, but that's gonna be a little hard with Franzes, as those magnets (like Gibson magnets) have the "poles" on the sides, not top to bottom.

Try flipping the magnets on one pickup, if you're lucky, you'll get reverse phase/reverse polarity (= humbucking if both selected), if not that lucky, you just get in phase operation with noise. As long as you're really careful taking your pickup apart, you can't really hurt anything.

IF you should try, make sure first the covers didn't shrink to the point where you can't get the polepieces through any more.

edit - also, there's the off chance nobody did anything to your guitar, and it came that way from the factory, and whoever owned it lived with it that way (or was a big T-Bone Walker or Peter Green fan!) - Franzes àre pretty crudely made pickups, so it's entirely possible!
 

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I flipped the magnets in the bridge pickup, and now I'm noise-free in the center position and at normal volume. Much obliged, Walter!
 

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nmiller said:
I flipped the magnets in the bridge pickup, and now I'm noise-free in the center position and at normal volume. Much obliged, Walter!
Brilliant! Kudos Walter.

Very nice guitars - you need to spend more time on LTG showing off your stable!
 

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bluesypicky said:
Really sweet guitar, congrats!
Out of curiosity was it Wolfe in FL. or TN.?...

I saw it listed in the Jupiter store's inventory. Miss this one?

Dave :D
 

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dapmdave said:
bluesypicky said:
Really sweet guitar, congrats!
Out of curiosity was it Wolfe in FL. or TN.?...
I saw it listed in the Jupiter store's inventory. Miss this one? Dave :D
Hell yeah!! and that thing was sitting two blocks away from me!
Oh well, good for nmiller... :wink:
 

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It was in the FL store. I just got lucky with the timing. I saw it on GBase and wondered how I had missed it previously; I called immediately, and Jay Wolfe said that he had just posted it 20 minutes before.

Zelja said:
Very nice guitars - you need to spend more time on LTG showing off your stable!

These two are all the Guild guitars I have right now, but I also have a JS-II.
 

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Two cool things about this post: 1. The M-75s of nmiller, and 2. the problem diagnosis and successful recommended fix by Walter B. This place is 'da greatest! Thanks to both of you for sharing your story and your knowledge.
 

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nmiller said:
These two are all the Guild guitars I have right now, but I also have a JS-II.

OK. I thought you may have had some more based on some posts I've seen on TGP. Regardless, I'm sure we wouldn't mind more pics!
 
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