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Are these models the same? Also, which model numbers signify Walker-Gruhn made guitars? Thanks.....Very confusing....lol
An uneducated question....."F" and "JF" what is the dif?
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It's wicked confusing, and I'm not going to try and clarify it in detail for you, o wily one... Here's a partial list of the 17" jumbos, and that's all I'll say other than "please Hans, vol. 2!!!!!!" 
F-50 = JF-65
F-50R = JF-55
F-412 = JF-65-12
F-512 = JF-55-12
There are also JF-30 and JF-100 that have no direct analogy, but are 17" jumbos. The JF-30s are maple arch-backs, and the JF-100s are top-o-the-line solid, flat-backed rosewoods.
There's a JF-4 in there's somewhere...., and an F-212XL... OK, that's enough for me, my head is starting to swim....
F-50 = JF-65
F-50R = JF-55
F-412 = JF-65-12
F-512 = JF-55-12
There are also JF-30 and JF-100 that have no direct analogy, but are 17" jumbos. The JF-30s are maple arch-backs, and the JF-100s are top-o-the-line solid, flat-backed rosewoods.
There's a JF-4 in there's somewhere...., and an F-212XL... OK, that's enough for me, my head is starting to swim....
tjmangum
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And there are non jumbo models that start small and get bigger with an F20 then F30 and F40 and into the F47 which is not a jumbo, but, as I have just learned, you have an F48 which is a jumbo. And you have JF55 in rosewood (which was an F50R) and JF65 in Maple (which was a F50) and these are all jumbos and come in 12 strings too. OK, tag, my head hurts now too!
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jcwu
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Maybe F48 = JF4?
tjmangum
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Interesting thought! Although, it seems to me, while being a jumbo, it also has the rubbed finish and basic appointments. Never seen one in the flesh.jcwu said:
tj
Wasn't the JF-4 an arch-back? I'm pretty sure the F-48 was solid (not positive, though).tjmangum said:
capnjuan said:
Rosewood fingerboard to the Ebony on the F50 IIRC. The F48 is a nice guitar I'd like to own one of these days; you rarely see them for sale.
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onewilyfool said:
Maybe Hans could, in the upcoming Vol.II, add a chart(s) similar to the ones used by WWII AAA and Bomber Gunnery training, but instead of being able to identify Henkles, Dorniers and Fw-190s, it would contain F50s, JF-65s and D-25s?
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Dada an EXCELLENT idea...did you have those little sets of playing cards also when you were a kid too, that had the profiles of all the WWII era military aircraft? I always got stuck on the Fiat fighters... :lol:
There's suppsoed to be a GAD version.... But wouldn't a New Hartford re-issue in the Standard Series be great!?twocorgis said:
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LOL......thanks guys, I think either that clarifies everything, or I'm as confused as ever....lol...Now, what about those Walker Gruhn guitars, did the model number change or same model number just certain years????? Thanks
Darryl Hattenhauer
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Here's the difference. The JF guitars had a J in front of the F, and the F guitars didn't.
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That's exactly the kind of deep thought I delve into when I get up in the wee hours. :lol:Darryl Hattenhauer said:
Joe
I have "Gruhn's Guide to Vintage Guitars" and page 374, where he talks about flattops is a very interesting set of comments. A couple of snippets:onewilyfool said:
From 1984-86: "In 1984 George Gruhn designed a new group of models that represented the first attempt at correlating model numbers across body styles with respect to wood and ornamentation..." There's a citing of the F-50 and D-50 as examples of this disparity in the traditional naming
1988- : "Following Gruhn's departure from Guild in 1988, the system became disorganized again..."
There's no way to actually make sense of all this, wily. It's a mere matter of listing everything and having the guides to look it up.
By the way, Gruhn's guide is a useful tool and gets you a good idea of most of the Walker-era products. I'm sure Hans will cover that in in the forthcoming volume 2 of Guild history, which we all eagerly await, of course.Hi OWF: the answer is yes or not ... The subject is covered in Ted Beesley's Guild Guitars, Volume #5, pages 4-7 for generalities; in the model-by-model section (through the mid-'90s) for years in / out of the line which includes the Gruhn-era models. For example; the F30 was tweaked and became the GF30. The model was later ID'd JF30 and later, JF30 was dropped in favor of F30. The same is more or less true for the (G)F40 and (G)F50 and other line additions like the GF60 and GF25 and drops ... like the GF60, GF25, and others.onewilyfool said:
"Not every shot lands on the green" Bobby Jones, famous luthier. :wink:
If you're seriously interested, get Beesley's book.
Edit: changed initials from ONF to OWF.
Dubbaround
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Guild and or it's parent really screwed the pooch with the myriad number and combinations of designations for what seems to be the same exact guitar...It's absolutely mind bending trying to figure some of it out. It reminds me of Harley Davidson giving a bike a whole new 5 letter designation for a bike that is exactly the same as another except for the 2 chrome acorn nuts on the fender...
"That's not a FLHTST, that's a FLHBSA!"
"That's not a FLHTST, that's a FLHBSA!"
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Where's Hans when we need him?
Working on the new testament, no doubt.sitka_spruce said:Where's Hans when we need him?
In my earlier reply, I was going to suggest that we were all waiting for Vol(Godo)Two but then I thought better of it ..... :wink:Chazmo said:Working on the new testament, no doubt.sitka_spruce said:Where's Hans when we need him?