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For those of us with experience in these things, what is your opinion in comparing the sound of the Artist Award with the DeArmond 1100 versus the covered floating humbucker installed by Guild in the last iteration of the model? My assumption is that the covered humbucker pup produces a slightly higer timbre from the top of the guitar, especially strings 1-3, as compared to the adjustable pole pieces of the DeArmond 1100? I'm about to sell my 2014 American Patriarch X-500 in near mint condition for $4,900 by the way, in order to purchase a "case queen" 1993 Artist Award with the stock humbucker that was used at that time.
 
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I think the smooth gold humbucker used on the AA from 1988-99 is terrible. The response is not balanced from top to bottom and there are no adjustable pole pieces to compensate. It's a dull sounding humbucker. An original DeArmond 1100 is a tremendous sounding pickup and as Jay Pilzer once told me: "It can make a brick sound good". I haven't tried the Korean-made reissue DeArmond 1100 so I don't know about that one. Frankly, if you want an AA, look for a pre-1988 version with the original DeA 1100.
 

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Oh, and the gold humbucker is an odd design so there are no "drop in" replacements for it. You'll likely have modify the pickguard or have a new guard made to accommodate a new pickup.
 

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Oh, and the gold humbucker is an odd design so there are no "drop in" replacements for it. You'll likely have modify the pickguard or have a new guard made to accommodate a new pickup.
I''ve already asked Joe Vinikow of Archtop.com whether he could switch out the humbucker for either a DeArmond 1100 (he has new ones, but sometimes has vintage ones as well), or with the Kent Armstrong single-coil adjustable floating pickup, which is probably excellent. But, I'll ask Joe V. again about it. Thanks for the opinion. I've listened to Youtube videos of the later Artist Awards with the humbucker pups and you're right they don't deliver a balanced tone.
 

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I think the smooth gold humbucker used on the AA from 1988-99 is terrible. The response is not balanced from top to bottom and there are no adjustable pole pieces to compensate. It's a dull sounding humbucker. An original DeArmond 1100 is a tremendous sounding pickup and as Jay Pilzer once told me: "It can make a brick sound good". I haven't tried the Korean-made reissue DeArmond 1100 so I don't know about that one. Frankly, if you want an AA, look for a pre-1988 version with the original DeA 1100.
Well, I wouldn't be too hasty in critiquing the Korean-made DeArmond 1100s. My 2014 American Patriarch X-500 has "frequency-tested" Franz type single coil pickups, and they are, in my opinion, excellent tone deliverers.
 

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I have done fairly extensive testing. Many sound supurb. None fit the cutout in the guard.
I agree that there may not be an exact match for the pickguard notch. The Kent Armstrong floating single coil pickup will fit pretty nicely in the slot of the pickguard. And if it isn't perfect, still I'm more interested in the quality of sound than how it looks. It also comes with a switchable impedence selector, if so desired. Anyone have any knowledge of the effect of such a switch on the sound of a single-coil floating pickup, such as the Kent Armstrong?


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Armstrong Handmade Floating Single Coil -Versatile Vintage Tone
If you've been looking for the sound of the old DeArmond Model 1100 or Gibson P-90, but have been frustrated due to the scarcity, expense, and unreliability of the originals, your solution is here at last. A breakthrough in vintage style amplification, the Armstrong Handmade Floating Single Coil pickup is the world's only floating pickup that combines the brilliant response of traditional single coil design, with the flexibility of individually adjustable pole pieces for each string. The single coil winding and Alnico magnet replicates the wider frequency response of the classic Dearmond, Gibson P-90 and other classic pickups of the 40's and 50's, but careful shielding and rock-solid epoxy potting makes them much more resistant to noise and interference than the originals. Best of all, the hex screw poles allow the player to calibrate the pickup to match the output of either nickel or bronze strings. In addition, Kent has tapped the coil with three connector lugs, so the player may choose either of two output impedances: approx. 8K or 13K ohms, or switch between them while playing. The most versatile floating pickup made.
The pickup is available as shown, with black resin casing and pickguard mounting tab only. (Not availalable with metal cover, or neck mounting tabs.) Each pickup individually handmade in the USA by Kent, and supplied with adjusting wrench and shielded connecting wire.
Dimensions: Length- 2 11/16" (length including mounting tab- 3 3/4"); Width- 1 3/16"; Depth: 7/16". Pole spacing, low to high E: 2". Minimum recommended string clearance: approx. 5/8" from guitar top to bottom of strings at the end of the fingerboard, with strings depressed at highest fret. (Click here for measurement instructions.) Output: 8 or 13K ohms. $199.00.
Special: Single coil pickup plus micro toggle selector switch, ideal for pickguard mounting, allows switching between pickup impedances: $219.00 (switch not sold separately.)
 

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I'm with the rest of the group on this, though never having played an AA with the humbucker, nothing beats an original DeArmond pu on an archtop guitar. I recently played my Epiphone Triumph Regent and put my 1967 DeArmond 1100 on it and it was the best electric guitar sound I've ever played personally. I was shocked too because I have 80/20 bronze strings on it and it still came through beautifully and balanced. I was convinced I needed electric strings but acoustic strings come through great on the DeArmond, so much so that I plan putting bronze acoustic strings on my AA. I would definitely swap it out with a DeArmond Rich.
 

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I'm with the rest of the group on this, though never having played an AA with the humbucker, nothing beats an original DeArmond pu on an archtop guitar. I recently played my Epiphone Triumph Regent and put my 1967 DeArmond 1100 on it and it was the best electric guitar sound I've ever played personally. I was shocked too because I have 80/20 bronze strings on it and it still came through beautifully and balanced. I was convinced I needed electric strings but acoustic strings come through great on the DeArmond, so much so that I plan putting bronze acoustic strings on my AA. I would definitely swap it out with a DeArmond Rich.
How about this? A Clifford Essex Paragon, fitted with a DeArmond and played by Vic Flick, just like on the original movie soundtrack :cool:

 

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Just as an aside, the instructions for my ‘50’s Rhythm Chief recommends Monel strings. I like them a lot.
 

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vintage 1100 vs reissue. I checked this out because I'm thinking about putting one of the reissues on my Korean HR Custom

Decided to bite the bullet and buy a reissue, considering Guild's new ownership, who knows how long it will be available.
 
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Sounds like a good idea, Brad. Impossible to really glean anything from this guy's comparison with different guitars and with all that reverb...

Do you not like the pickup that your guiltar came with?
 

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Sounds like a good idea, Brad. Impossible to really glean anything from this guy's comparison with different guitars and with all that reverb...

Do you not like the pickup that your guiltar came with?
It came with a Korean Kent Armstrong,, not a bad pickup, but I want to see how close I can get to the sound of my Artist Award with the vintage 1100. I'm going to wait until I get a luthier to install it, A few years ago I probably would have done it myself, but I've got some vision problems these days, so better safe than sorry.
FWIW, I ordered the pickup from Guild on Sunday, it arrived Wednesday, much quicker than when in the past when I've gotten a case and a couple of their gig bags.
 
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