Considering my first Guild acoustic--D40 needing a neck reset?

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Hi all, I'm new here and I have a situation. There's a 70's D40 at my local shop, priced at $500 and in need of a neck reset. I'm inclined to go for it, assuming cost of the reset comes in under about $500. What's the going rate for a neck reset in the NYC/Hudson Valley area and and do y'all have a rec for a good shop or luthier to do it?

Truthfully, the shop had another D40 (late 80's, with the smaller headstock) that sounded amazing, priced at $900, but I hesitated and it sold. I'm kicking myself a little bit for passing it up.

Anyway, hi! Happy to be on the forum and hoping to have a Guild soon!
 

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Hi all, I'm new here and I have a situation. There's a 70's D40 at my local shop, priced at $500 and in need of a neck reset. I'm inclined to go for it, assuming cost of the reset comes in under about $500. What's the going rate for a neck reset in the NYC/Hudson Valley area and and do y'all have a rec for a good shop or luthier to do it?

Truthfully, the shop had another D40 (late 80's, with the smaller headstock) that sounded amazing, priced at $900, but I hesitated and it sold. I'm kicking myself a little bit for passing it up.

Anyway, hi! Happy to be on the forum and hoping to have a Guild soon!
Welcome to LTG!

Around here, a neck reset is going to cost you more than $500, especially if you want to do it right. While it is possible that you won't need fretboard planing and new frets, it's unlikely. And many luthiers (like mine) are reluctant to perform neck resets on Guilds. I would probably pass on this one, and wait for one with a better neck angle. This link from the late Frank Ford has been shared many times here, but it bears repeating.


Good luck in your hunt! Occasionally, a nice one will come up for sale here, so stick around.
 
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I'm hoping what you say about reluctance to reset Guild necks isn't universally true.
 

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I'm hoping what you say about reluctance to reset Guild necks isn't universally true.
Not universally true, but there are many luthiers that feel that way. My guy doesn't like doing neck resets period, because he has a 9-5 job, and can maximize his income from lutherie a lot better doing smaller jobs. I use @Fixit for the heavy lifting, and that's fine with me.
 

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Hi all, I'm new here and I have a situation. There's a 70's D40 at my local shop, priced at $500 and in need of a neck reset. I'm inclined to go for it, assuming cost of the reset comes in under about $500. What's the going rate for a neck reset in the NYC/Hudson Valley area and and do y'all have a rec for a good shop or luthier to do it?

Truthfully, the shop had another D40 (late 80's, with the smaller headstock) that sounded amazing, priced at $900, but I hesitated and it sold. I'm kicking myself a little bit for passing it up.

Anyway, hi! Happy to be on the forum and hoping to have a Guild soon!
Hi jml, welcome!
I think with a wee bit of patience you could find another in better nick, although truthfully in this day I'd be budgeting around $1500 at least for one needing no work. For me the utility value of being immediately playable trumps all.
 

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Here's one that needs nothing, and is a 2019 Oxnard build. If it's anything like mine, it's a great guitar.


The seller is even accepting offers, but might not go much lower.
 

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Really depends on where in the world you are. In the USA you can get a reset for 5-800. Sandy's hood in NY and on the West coast it's going to cost a heck of a lot more. Like double. At least a grand or more here in Vegas. Sorry the better one got away. Sometimes it happens like that.
 

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Here's one that needs nothing, and is a 2019 Oxnard build. If it's anything like mine, it's a great guitar.


The seller is even accepting offers, but might not go much lower.
Wow!! That's a GREAT price, too!! What a deal!! (y)(y)
 

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My .02 and about what my take is worth, but here it is. To me, the 72 and earlier Westerly Guild hits the sweet spot of not having the Hoboken premium cost, but still having the light build. This comes with the light build propensity of needing the major work. Heavier builds are less likely to need it, but still, you have a forty year old guitar, so there you go.

The work an older guitar will need is likely to exceed post work value. If that D 40 is $500, I'd buy it if it was 70 or 72 vintage. This is personal to me and hopefully you will get opposite opinions on this. Either way, a thousand will be spent. I had to source a new bridge, but one can be made. I would never get a neck reset without a fret job too. This may need a new nut too. Work is not going to be done in a week or two, so you'll likely be without the guitar for a while. How long a back up a tech has is usually a sign of how good they are. An old guitar is rarely a bargain, but rather a state of mind, for their worth is in the aged wood, an impossible to monetize trait.

Modern guitars are generally well made, and you might be the sort that would be happier with a New Hartford era guitar. Only you can say. I remember when I bought my D 35 twenty five years ago, Richard of Gryphon said, remember, you aren't buying this to save money. At $250, it would not have made sense for them to do the work on a guitar they would sell for $800. Ten years later, I spent $1100 more on the guitar. Ten years later I could get my money back. I've never regretted bringing a US made solid wood guitar back to life. I'd sell my Martin D 35 custom and my 65 Texan before I'd sell the 70 D 35 Guild. The Santa Cruz wins for now.

Now we still live in an age Guilds are undervalued. For $1500 or less you can buy an old 50 year old guitar and fix it. Try finding a 70 D 18 you would not have to spend $3000 for. That or more is what a shop around here with a good repair department would charge for one ready to go. I'm not saying it's not worth it.
 

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Here's one that needs nothing, and is a 2019 Oxnard build. If it's anything like mine, it's a great guitar.


The seller is even accepting offers, but might not go much lower.
Including a $250 humidicase. Looks good, perhaps you could get him to post a video. Good luck
 
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Thanks so much for the input everyone. @twocorgis that new D 40 is truly an amazing deal!

A couple of pretty subjective factors come into play for me. The appeal of a Guild is largely sentimental--so many folks I knew and looked up to as I was learning guitar had Guilds and the westerly Guild sound is, to me, the platonic ideal of an acoustic guitar sound. I'm also not so interested in a new guitar--I have a new-ish Martin 000-15sm, which I love, but I'm looking for an older guitar with a more typical dreadnought sound. I'm not bothered by the heavier weight of the mid-70s westerly Guilds.

My spidey sense, and yall's advice has me feeling like this could be a money pit that I'd rather avoid.
 

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There's a '70s D40 on Craig's List Long Island that might be worth checking out. No affiliation.

 

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Here's one. Music Go Round is a good company although they are a franchise and ownership varies. I gave bought two Guilds from them, 1973 F112 and 2007 F50, different stores both great service. You can call and ask all of the questions you want.
D40 at Music go Round.
 

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What I have found is that (on average), pre-1980 Guild D-40s that need resets go for about $1,000-$1,600 and those that don't need them go for $1,400-$2,400. The discount for needing a reset is generally not enough to cover the reset (which is $500 to $1,000 depending on other work that needs to be done).

My guy (Dallas) is not afraid of Guild resets, same price as any other. But is is $500 for a reset and $400 for a refret.

$500 is a steal if it is sound other than reset and maybe refret work. And by that I mean that you could spend $1,500 total and have a guitar worth about $1,500 (prob worth $1,400-$1,800 for a '73-'79 and $1,600-$2,000 if '70-'72). You'd be in better shape than most of us!!!
 
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Thanks so much for the input everyone. @twocorgis that new D 40 is truly an amazing deal!

A couple of pretty subjective factors come into play for me. The appeal of a Guild is largely sentimental--so many folks I knew and looked up to as I was learning guitar had Guilds and the westerly Guild sound is, to me, the platonic ideal of an acoustic guitar sound. I'm also not so interested in a new guitar--I have a new-ish Martin 000-15sm, which I love, but I'm looking for an older guitar with a more typical dreadnought sound. I'm not bothered by the heavier weight of the mid-70s westerly Guilds.

My spidey sense, and yall's advice has me feeling like this could be a money pit that I'd rather avoid.
The thing is, that Oxnard D40 is a lighter build, and almost certainly sounds better than a Westerly D40.

I've owned a number of D40s, and my Oxnard D40 Traditional sounds better than any of the D40s I've ever owned or played, other than the '66 Hoboken now living with @jeffcoop, and certainly better than any of the Westerly examples. And given time, it quite likely will sound better than that one. I was the first to knock Oxnard in their early days, but this D40T made a convert out of me.
 

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The thing is, that Oxnard D40 is a lighter build, and almost certainly sounds better than a Westerly D40.

I've owned a number of D40s, and my Oxnard D40 Traditional sounds better than any of the D40s I've ever owned or played, other than the '66 Hoboken now living with @jeffcoop, and certainly better than any of the Westerly examples. And given time, it quite likely will sound better than that one. I was the first to knock Oxnard in their early days, but this D40T made a convert out of me.
If I were you, I'd listen to this advice.... your wish to embrace "vintage" could also be a misstep. The new Guilds from Oxnard are amazing and beautiful. And new.... how about you embrace your own mileage on this one and no work? That's what I'd be buying....
 
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What I have found is that (on average), pre-1980 Guild D-40s that need resets go for about $1,000-$1,600 and those that don't need them go for $1,400-$2,400. The discount for needing a reset is generally not enough to cover the reset (which is $500 to $1,000 depending on other work that needs to be done).

My guy (Dallas) is not afraid of Guild resets, same price as any other. But is is $500 for a reset and $400 for a refret.

$500 is a steal if it is sound other than reset and maybe refret work. And by that I mean that you could spend $1,500 total and have a guitar worth about $1,500 (prob worth $1,400-$1,800 for a '73-'79 and $1,600-$2,000 if '70-'72). You'd be in better shape than most of us!!!
This is/was my calculus on this guitar, though I hadn't accounted for a refret. It does seem like a lot of extra hassle and labor for about the same final cost. I think my urge to rebound is playing a part here too and possibly getting the better of my judgment. As you said @davismanLV the better one got away.

I actually did manage to try an Oxnard D40 at another shop recently. Sounded incredible--much like a D18, honestly.

Thanks all for your thoughts!
 
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