Could it sound any better?

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Didn't notice Dave, but it shows someone's been doin' their homework....pretty good reference.....Steffan :D
 

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Did you happen to notice that the new Guild website has a link to this particular video? It's a real classic, isn't it?

Dave :D
Hi Dave
It was from the Guild site that I was lead to the Neil Young cover video. After watching the 2nd video of the f412, there were some other videos at the bottom of the screen that I was able to click on.
 

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OK, I'll say it. I think it could sound a whole lot better. Played with a flat pick, a 12-string (even a Guild) just sounds like a 6-string with some spares attached. I've never understood the appeal. A 12-string fingerpicked by somebody who knows a lot more than me takes on a life of it's own, and you immediately see that the 12-string is, in fact, an instrument very different from it's string-challenged brethren.
 

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charliea said:
OK, I'll say it. I think it could sound a whole lot better. Played with a flat pick, a 12-string (even a Guild) just sounds like a 6-string with some spares attached. I've never understood the appeal. A 12-string fingerpicked by somebody who knows a lot more than me takes on a life of it's own, and you immediately see that the 12-string is, in fact, an instrument very different from it's string-challenged brethren.

charliea, flatpickers need love, too. :(

Dave :D
 

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charliea said:
OK, I'll say it. I think it could sound a whole lot better. Played with a flat pick, a 12-string (even a Guild) just sounds like a 6-string with some spares attached. I've never understood the appeal. A 12-string fingerpicked by somebody who knows a lot more than me takes on a life of it's own, and you immediately see that the 12-string is, in fact, an instrument very different from it's string-challenged brethren.
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder :wink: ...or in this case the belistener :D
 

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dapmdave said:
charliea said:
OK, I'll say it. I think it could sound a whole lot better. Played with a flat pick, a 12-string (even a Guild) just sounds like a 6-string with some spares attached. I've never understood the appeal. A 12-string fingerpicked by somebody who knows a lot more than me takes on a life of it's own, and you immediately see that the 12-string is, in fact, an instrument very different from it's string-challenged brethren.

charliea, flatpickers need love, too. :(

Dave :D

Amen to that. Flatpickers do amazing things, and it's hard to imagine bluegrass any other way. Thing is you can flatpick a violin, or a cello, or a piano, for that matter. I guess you can flatpick anything with strings, but the noise you make just won't be right.
 

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charliea said:
OK, I'll say it. I think it could sound a whole lot better. Played with a flat pick, a 12-string (even a Guild) just sounds like a 6-string with some spares attached. I've never understood the appeal. A 12-string fingerpicked by somebody who knows a lot more than me takes on a life of it's own, and you immediately see that the 12-string is, in fact, an instrument very different from it's string-challenged brethren.

DISCLAIMER: I *do* fingerpick a 12-string, and tend to agree.

However, in defense of (simply) strumming a 12-string...

I recently took my F412 to a local luthier for a tune-up. He opened the case, lifted out the guitar, sat down and placed it onto his lap, and quietly thumbed across the strings. Recognizing that it was tuned to Drop D at concert pitch, he reached for a flat pick, formed a D chord, and raked that pick in a down-stroke across the strings like he was peeling off a band-aid from a 10 year-old's forearm. All the guys in the shop looked up at once, startled, and the customers who were milling about, froze in their tracks. Had I captured the moment in a video recording, I would have possessed an instant classic. The look upon the faces of the dozen or so people in that building was priceless. For just a moment, in each pair of eyes you could see the look of surprise and awe, while the corner of every single mouth began to curl into a full-blown grin. The luthier summarized the moment as he said, 'Man! What an incredible sounding guitar!'

Christopher
 

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I didn't mean to imply that a 12-string can't sound good flatpicked. Of course it can. For that matter, there are guys out there who can bang a salad fork on a butter dish and make it sound like Mozart. Sometimes I just feel the need to assert that 12-strings are unique instruments, not merely expanded 6-strings, and that they come into their own when certain 6-string habits, like flatpicking, are left behind. Also, of course, there's always the pleasure of a good veer in an otherwise straightforward thread.
 

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charliea said:
...there's always the pleasure of a good veer in an otherwise straightforward thread.

Baited, and...Hooked!

To never have been bitten by the 12-string bug would have saved me thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars over the last three decades (well, probably not, as I would have spent, 'er, invested, that money in 6-strings, banjos, mandolins, lutes, lyres, bouzoukis, et al).

My first (conscious) encounter with this seductress was as a wee young boy, with my Stella 4-string guitar in hand at a friends house, where we struggled with chording folk tunes. His older brother brought in this funny looking, top-heavy harp-like thing (to this day I cannot recollect what brand). He said it was a 12-string guitar and began strumming it. I was entranced, and ruined! Why? To my ears (and contrasted against my 4-string), the fuller sound of that guitar was exactly what I wanted to spend my time listening to. Everything else seemed so defined, so encompassed with sonic boundaries. His instrument RANG!

My first 12-string was a no-name luthier's experiment gone bad. I struggled with that one for about a year, earned my stripes and battle scars, and became a full-fledged 12-string gigolo. Still but a boy, I played the field with Alvarez, Martin, Epiphone, Gibson, Yamaha, Fender, Ovation... I was learning to finger pick, but most of the folk music I had heard on the 12-string, to date, was strummed. One fateful day around 1970, listening to an AM radio in a field of strawberries, I heard John Denver play Rhymes and Reasons. The intro to that song became the quintessence of my search. At that moment I knew I had to have a Guild 12-string, and I had to become adept at tickling those strings, just like I had heard it on the radio.

Several years passed and my lust grew. A dear friend beat me to the ownership table, purchasing an F412 to match her F50. I so loved the sound of that bright, brilliant, maple guitar, and found excuses to play it whenever she would let me. It was not long before I secured my very own F512 to mate with my F50R. It was years later I came upon my adorable used (pre-loved) F412 that now sings to me nightly.

To say my journey is complete would be presumptuous. I have seen the future, and there are more 12-strings in it. :D
 

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12stringer said:
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder :wink: ...D

Or beerholder, take your pick!

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I'll take door # 2

I love the sound of maple and 12 strings, I just wish Guild made an F47-12M
 

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ccozad said:
My first (conscious) encounter with this seductress was as a wee young boy. I was entranced, and ruined! His instrument RANG!
My first 12-string was a no-name.... D
I was transported back to my carefree youth, when I first met the guy who was to become one of my best buddys over the years...I had a classical guitar, he had a 12-string. I can still rmember the name: "Empirador". 12 strings were RARE beasts for high school boys in 1972, in our town. We shared a mutual creative/jamming philosphy and quite a bit of overlapping musical tastes and quickly fell into a pattern of jamming 3 and 4 days a week for a couple of hours, pursuing our mutual muse.
The Empirador began to show some signs of its age and he began to reserve its use and treat it with greater respect. He still has it, but eventually he found a new Guild JF3012 in 1987, the year of its introduction, and was finally able to fulfill his dream of owning a Guild, the world's best 12-string.
When my prized Fender F210 acoustic 6er was stolen in '96, it was he who told me that Fender had acquired Guild, and made it so much easier for me to finally get an american made acoustic guitar at a price a normal person could afford...how I met my D25.
Although distance now diminshes the frequency of jamming, we do still occasionally manage to hook up.
S'cuse me now, my eyes are gettin' a little funny on me. Must be all that nostalgia. 8)
 

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adorshki said:
ccozad said:
My first (conscious) encounter with this seductress was as a wee young boy. I was entranced, and ruined! His instrument RANG!
My first 12-string was a no-name.... D
I was transported back to my carefree youth, when I first met the guy who was to become one of my best buddys over the years...I had a classical guitar, he had a 12-string. I can still rmember the name: "Empirador". 12 strings were RARE beasts for high school boys in 1972, in our town. We shared a mutual creative/jamming philosphy and quite a bit of overlapping musical tastes and quickly fell into a pattern of jamming 3 and 4 days a week for a couple of hours, pursuing our mutual muse.
The Empirador began to show some signs of its age and he began to reserve its use and treat it with greater respect. He still has it, but eventually he found a new Guild JF3012 in 1987, the year of its introduction, and was finally able to fulfill his dream of owning a Guild, the world's best 12-string.
When my prized Fender F210 acoustic 6er was stolen in '96, it was he who told me that Fender had acquired Guild, and made it so much easier for me to finally get an american made acoustic guitar at a price a normal person could afford...how I met my D25.
Although distance now diminshes the frequency of jamming, we do still occasionally manage to hook up.
S'cuse me now, my eyes are gettin' a little funny on me. Must be all that nostalgia. 8)

Nice, thank you.
 

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I've had a few, too. First (I think) was in about 1970, an EKO. Italian made, piece of junk, really, But I loved it and took it weekly to the local open mic nite and played my Donovan and Simon & Garfunkel tunes. A bit later, I got a Framus 12-string. Bolt-on neck and much easier to play.

I think I had a Yamaha or something in the 80s, but nothing of note until purchasing the Guild F212 earlier this year.

Dave :D
 

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charliea said:
OK, I'll say it. I think it could sound a whole lot better. Played with a flat pick, a 12-string (even a Guild) just sounds like a 6-string with some spares attached. I've never understood the appeal. A 12-string fingerpicked by somebody who knows a lot more than me takes on a life of it's own, and you immediately see that the 12-string is, in fact, an instrument very different from it's string-challenged brethren.

Being a fangerpicker I tend to agree in general, BUT Dan Crary and the late Lydia Mendoza sure flatpick a firestorm on 12ers. Doc Watson too.

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