F30 NT

[killdeer43]

How about this one? Can you feel the GAS welling up inside?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-GUILD-A...QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item3357f40fce

Think I'll dig deeper. :wink:

Comments?
Joe

 

[Ian]

Hey Joe,

Looks to be in very nice condition and all, but looks to be more of an F40 shape than an F30 ? Also I couldn't see a label in the soundhole, and it seems to have back braces and I'd have thought that F30's from this period were arched backs ? Very good buying for that sort of money though, wonder what it will go for !!

Good Luck...

 

[hansmoust]

....... but looks to be more of an F40 shape than an F30 ? Also I couldn't see a label in the soundhole, and it seems to have back braces and I'd have thought that F30's from this period were arched backs ?

Hello dude,

That's the shape the F-30 did get during the '70s; more like a small jumbo. Change to the arched back took place during the '80s.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
www.guitarsgalore.nl

 

[Ian]

Thanks Hans,

PM sent.

Cheers, Ian

 

[cjd-player]

Very good condition?

The top is cracked on the treble side. Right in line with the fretboard. At the top and bottom of the sound hole.

 

[archiestone]

I'd be worried about shipping problems as it comes case-less.

 

[Ian]

Very good condition?

The top is cracked on the treble side. Right in line with the fretboard. At the top and bottom of the sound hole.

Wow, that is well spotted !! How many carrots do you eat a day ? How far up do you think that goes ? An expensive repair do you think ?

Cheers, Ian

 

[cjd-player]

I'm no expert, but from other cracked guitars that I have seen, that could be a classic case of the neck pulling in or up. The ones I've seen had a crack in the top on each side of the fretboard, and corresponding jogs in the edge of the soundhole where the top actually moved into the soundhole.

I'm surprised that a similar crack is not in the top on the bass side of the fretboard. Maybe it just doesn't show in the pics, but there doesn't appear to be an offset in the soundhole edge over there either. I would be concerned that the bass side will eventually crack the same way if it has not already started.

I think something is seriously wrong with that neck to cause that crack on the treble side.

I'm sure others have far more expertise than me on this issue, but that's my take on it.

 

[dapmdave]

Very good condition?

The top is cracked on the treble side. Right in line with the fretboard. At the top and bottom of the sound hole.

That seems to be a fairly common problem, doesn't it?

Dave

 

[cjd-player]

Very good condition?

The top is cracked on the treble side. Right in line with the fretboard. At the top and bottom of the sound hole.

That seems to be a fairly common problem, doesn't it?

Dave

Only on guitars that need repaired. (rim shot)


Seroiusly, I'm not under the impression that it is a common problem. Necks can move to where they need reset without cracking the top. In my limited knowlegde, that crack indicates a very serious neck issue.

 

[bluesypicky]

It's not this one's first dance..... I clearly remember seeing this crack before by the fingerboard.

 

[Ian]

Caused by too much tension on the neck ?

 

[cjd-player]

Caused by too much tension on the neck ?

Probably.

Speaking of cracks ... how's your Ovation holding up? I had a 1978 Ovation Legend (not quite as fancy as your GC model), but a wonderful guitar. Almost all other Ovations that I have seen from that time period now have top cracks. Mine never did crack. I kinda regret that I sold it about 5 years ago, but it just wasn't getting play time.

 

[bluesypicky]

Caused by too much tension on the neck ?

Probably.

I am not sure the neck tension would cause a crack on both sides of the sound hole.....
I am leaning towards something or someone falling on the guitar and applying a bit more pressure than the top can endure, causing cracks around the sound hole, but without seeing and touching it, it is kinda speculative anyhow....

 

[Ian]

Caused by too much tension on the neck ?

Probably.

Speaking of cracks ... how's your Ovation holding up? I had a 1978 Ovation Legend (not quite as fancy as your GC model), but a wonderful guitar. Almost all other Ovations that I have seen from that time period now have top cracks. Mine never did crack. I kinda regret that I sold it about 5 years ago, but it just wasn't getting play time.

No problems at all with the Ovation. Has some crazing and small finish cracks on the top but no structural issues. Here in Nelson, there is a very temperate climate, no real humidity issues to speak of. It seems pretty rare here to get top cracks and stuff, unless you left your guitar outside 24/7 or something...

Having those same play issues with mine actually. It was my first good guitar and it's still the only one that has a PU (not that I play plugged in, but in case I ever wanted to...), honestly it's an effort to unpack and play it. I've always got the Breedlove out as my "go to" guitar, and then I've a choice of Guild, Guild and Martin if I want something else. The other thing that often isn't mentioned about Ovations is that they have amazing volume projection. Mine sounds great in our living room with lots of furnishings, and it's a biggish room anyway. In a smaller room it can be overpowering. At a recent jam sesssion at a friends house the others sitting around me complained that my guitar was making a rattleing noise. Turned out it was the music stand vibrating about 2 feet away !!!


Cheers, Ian

 

[gilded]

Re the cracks.

I think a lot of the time it's caused by the guitar getting hot enough to let the glue loosen between the top and the neck block.
Heat plus the 150-175 pounds of string pressure pull on the neck can sometimes for make cracks like that. Look for 'waffling' of the top around the sound hole, too, the top of the shoulders flattening out, neck block working loose from the shoulders, stuff like that.

My luthier told me all this, so it must be true