F30R new standard series

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Just seen this listed online at Elderly, wonder why they have changed to a 1&3/4 nut.... Because Martin have ? There does seem to be a trend towards this nut width of late, perhaps because fingerpicking is becoming more the dominant style of playing ? (I'm in a minority here cos I really like the old 1&5/8 width :( )

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Maybe it's just me. Doesn't 2000 bucks seem a bit steep for those things? I do love the model, but not $2000 worth of love. Keep in mind, even by accounts of some serious new Guild proponents here, they've cut several manufacturing costs in making these "Standard Series" guitars.

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West R Lee said:
Maybe it's just me. Doesn't 2000 bucks seem a bit steep for those things? I do love the model, but not $2000 worth of love. Keep in mind, even by accounts of some serious new Guild proponents here, they've cut several manufacturing costs in making these "Standard Series" guitars.

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As an old boss of mine used to say: "Selling price bears little relationship to manufacturing cost. It's what the market will bear. Manufacturing costs are driven down to increase profits, not to lower prices."
 

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cjd-player said:
[quote="West R Lee":3af4v2bh]Maybe it's just me. Doesn't 2000 bucks seem a bit steep for those things? I do love the model, but not $2000 worth of love. Keep in mind, even by accounts of some serious new Guild proponents here, they've cut several manufacturing costs in making these "Standard Series" guitars.

West
As an old boss of mine used to say: "Selling price bears little relationship to manufacturing cost. It's what the market will bear. Manufacturing costs are driven down to increase profits, not to lower prices."[/quote:3af4v2bh]

And I think this is a fine example Carl. :shock: I have serious doubts "the market will bear" it. We'll see.

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guitardude said:
Just seen this listed online at Elderly, wonder why they have changed to a 1&3/4 nut.... Because Martin have ? There does seem to be a trend towards this nut width of late, perhaps because fingerpicking is becoming more the dominant style of playing ? (I'm in a minority here cos I really like the old 1&5/8 width :( )

Cheers, Ian


A lot of the new stuff (dreads) have the 1&11/16" nut width.

I think since the Martin OM pattern has become so popular and FMIC wants Guilds as their premium acoustic line, it makes sense to offer the F30 as pitched competitively towards people who like OM's as fingerpickers.

I always thought M.S.R.P. was twice cost, then dealers can get ground on and still make a profit.

This week I saw at least four NOS (Tacoma and one Copona) flat-top Guilds of various calibers for $2.3K - $2.6K. Had dust on 'em though. They may sit a while longer.
 

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Has anybody actually played one yet? Bill Ashton is the only one I know who has played one and he is not convinced the nut is that wide. Possibly a typo issued by the dealer? I don't know. There is one in town that I have been meaning to check out.


Now back to this price veer. Yes $2K is a lot. The only way to know for sure if it is worth it is to play one and decide for yourself.
 

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Personally I find that I play better with 1 3/4 than 1 11/16. Fretting fingers just slop over with the smaller nut, and the 1 5/8 would be total hell. One of the main reasons I got the Martin Grand. Still plenty of Martins with 1 11/16, think D-18, D-28, the 15 series and on and on.

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yettoblaster said:
I always thought M.S.R.P. was twice cost, then dealers can get ground on and still make a profit.
Good rule of thumb but there are enough exceptions that you need to be careful when applying it.

As someone pointed out "cost" may or may not have a direct correlation with manufacturing and materials costs. In this case 'cost" is what the manufacturer charges the dealer (assuming there is no broker or middleman involved).
 

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bluesypicky said:
May I redirect you guys to this thread? : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20578

(I bet on 31 pages, we stalled at 25...) :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS: You're no minority Ian, I also prefer the 1.5/8th nut width....

Hey Pascal,

that's great but I'm looking down your sig and I'm not immediately spotting any. :lol:

You angling for my F30 ? :shock:

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Actually, I believe Bluesy's '67 LG01 has a skinny neck.... or that may have been his other one no longer in his sig.
 

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guitardude said:
bluesypicky said:
May I redirect you guys to this thread? : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20578
(I bet on 31 pages, we stalled at 25...) :lol: :lol: :lol:
PS: You're no minority Ian, I also prefer the 1.5/8th nut width....
Hey Pascal,
that's great but I'm looking down your sig and I'm not immediately spotting any. :lol:
You angling for my F30 ? :shock: Cheers, Ian
....Or 11/16th.
What I meant is I'm not very comfy on a 1.3/4..... Got it? :evil: :lol:
 

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I may be unique in this, but it is not so much the nut width that bothers me so much as the string spacing at the saddle. People are always saying that a 1&3/4" nut is better for fingerstyle, but I am able to fret something just as easy on a 1&11/16" nut. What bothers me, since I do not use finger picks or have long nails, is the string spacing at the saddle. Guild string spacing really bothered me at first because it was too narrow for me to wedge my fingers in between the strings. Over time, I have learned how to do it, but it took a while. I have seen guitars with 1&11/16" nut widths with wide string spacing at the saddle which would be ideal in my opinion but they tend to be pricey.
 

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Ridgemont said:
I may be unique in this, but it is not so much the nut width that bothers me so much as the string spacing at the saddle. People are always saying that a 1&3/4" nut is better for fingerstyle, but I am able to fret something just as easy on a 1&11/16" nut. What bothers me, since I do not use finger picks or have long nails, is the string spacing at the saddle. Guild string spacing really bothered me at first because it was too narrow for me to wedge my fingers in between the strings. Over time, I have learned how to do it, but it took a while. I have seen guitars with 1&11/16" nut widths with wide string spacing at the saddle which would be ideal in my opinion but they tend to be pricey.
Honestly, I've never paid much attention to the specs when it comes to guitars.
Either it feels good ot not, period. (Oh.... and it has to sound good too, almost forgot :lol: )
But I must admit that the new RK (which happens to have a 1.3/4 nut) with huge strings spacing (that you would probably enjoy Ridge) is a challenge for me.
I guess it's just like clothing sizes. It has to fit your body, and the wide nut and wide string spacing are just a bit too much for my medium size fingers.
I love the tiny LG 01 neck BTW.....
 

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If one shoots for 40 percent on suggested retail, then that is about 1700 bucks. Seems like some unreasonable expectations for price around here...you want a low price point guitar, buy a GAD. :)
 

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FNG said:
If one shoots for 40 percent on suggested retail, then that is about 1700 bucks. Seems like some unreasonable expectations for price around here...you want a low price point guitar, buy a GAD. :)
Expectations are based on what the competition offers (no offense to Guild lovers of which I am a part)........ See Martin MMV referenced above (or on another thread... losing track of them since the debate seems to inevitably come back to the new Guild prices lately, regardless of OP's subject....).
 

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FNG said:
If one shoots for 40 percent on suggested retail, then that is about 1700 bucks. Seems like some unreasonable expectations for price around here...you want a low price point guitar, buy a GAD. :)
Actually 20% off list is very common especially in a market like this, that'd be $1600.00 (on a $2000.00 list price), and 30% would get it down to $1400.00, BUT...will there be so many guitars sitting on the shelves that sellers will feel the need to do this right off the bat?
I got every one of mine new in those brackets, but there was some motivation for the seller to do it in each case. And Guild built larger volumes back then...
 

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adorshki said:
FNG said:
If one shoots for 40 percent on suggested retail, then that is about 1700 bucks. Seems like some unreasonable expectations for price around here...you want a low price point guitar, buy a GAD. :)
Actually 20% is very common especially in a market like this, that'd be $1600.00, and 30% would get it down to $1400.00, BUT...will there be so many guitars sitting on the shelves that sellers will feel the need to do this right off the bat?
I got every one of mine new in those brackets, but there was some motivation for the seller to do it in each case.
20% off 2k is $1600?
Can I get directions to your store? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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bluesypicky said:
Can I get direction to your store? :lol: :lol: :lol:
2000x .20=400; 2000-400=1600.
OR 2000x.80=1600....
OK now I get it, you think I meant 1600 off 2000.... :lol:
Ok I'll admit I used to reel in more suckers that way when I sold cars.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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