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Oh the proverbial can o' worms that this discussion is.

I agree with the point that Fender should have used a distinct moniker for the GAD series. While the GAD guitars are quality instruments, it's pretty deceiving to the consumer to just lump them under a 50 plus year old brand name that has always been American made.

On the other hand I wholly disagree with the idea that GAD series can be lumped in with entry level, or student guitars. These are not $100 Samicks we're talking about. The GADs and similarly priced Epiphones are part of a growing trend to make high quality guitars at prices much more accessable to the average consumer than similar quality, American made models.

The questions we should be asking ourselves is how is a spec, factory guitar made in China or Mexico different from a spec, factory guitar made in Rhode Island, or Southern Californa? I have a lot of the same feelings about the post-Westerly era Guild, but who's to say which Westerly periods constitute a truly great Guild. Are the Dronge era Guilds necessarily better than the Gruhn era Guilds? I have a Gruhn era F44 that could probably stand with most of the factory guitars I've heard. I had a DCE1 but it was nothing super special, it was boomy and deep, which I loved, but it wasn't especially nuanced. And I'm sure there are plenty of GAD models that could blow it away.

I have a lot of issues with buying Chinese-made products, mostly due to human rights concerns (although these days I could say some of the same things about American made products). And I've always been a proponent of supporting the American worker by buying products made here in the USA. But nonetheless I'm not sure we can automatically say that a producet is inherantly better just because it was made here in the USA.

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OK... I'll bite again, just to keep it going. All this location of birth disscussion reminds me of the same conversations I heard between Kalamazoo vs. Bozeman Gibsons.
Now, a lot of Gibson fans, such as myself, feel great and poor guitars have been made in both locations.
I am fairly new to the world of Guild, (29 years with Gibsons) but I would bet the same facts would hold true here. I feel there can be major differences between the same model of guitars, even when produced in the same factory by the same specs and workers. It's the tree's fault! Or possibly a Monday's run vs. a wedsday.
I own a Corna built, 2002, D55. Its great. I own a Westerly built, 1985, D25. It's great. They are apples and oranges, different tone-woods, different pricepoints and ages, but I can find no factory or quality defects in either.
I suspect, because of the price, the GAD Guilds, while good, will not, and were not intended to compeat with the top of the line, U.S.A. built Guilds. But rather are positioned to amply compeat with the Epiphones or Martin's from Mexico (same name used here,) or Blueridges and other better imports of the acoustic world . As for the name of their imports , Fender choose to follow Martin's lead instead of the Gibson-Epiphone, different name means different quality plan.
Suspose you sell someone a GAD, sooner or later, they will gas for a D55. But, let them buy a "Epi" Hummingbird and sooner or later they'll gas for a real Gibson Hummingbird. They will hear, feel and know the difference,and will step themselves up. Also Fender put their own name on their bottom of the line units...smart... Just last week I overheard a novis bragging that he found a Fender acoustic at a yard sale for only $200 and how that Fender makes a lot of great guitars. :roll: Thats one that Zorro won't sell!
Most of the world still sees American acoustics as the best, so Fender is compeating with Martin, Gibson and Taylor for a part of the upscale production market, with it's Tacoma-built, Guild line-up. To me thats a good thing. They will use the Tacoma brand as a additional store location in the same town option, and lower price-point bridge, between the two different Guild line-ups, and will rightly ignore the high-end small scale builder market. Sorry about the rant,as it's all just (MHO).
Marketing...you gotta luv it! 8)
Dale.
 

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Guild?

Who really cares if the GAD series are not "real Guilds". Perhaps they help to make the Guild name more profitable and visible for Fender, and that's good.
If Fender had stayed with only traditional Guilds and had continued to make them in Westerly, they probably would have continued to be unprofitable and Fender would ultimately have dumped the name, leaving us with no Guilds of any kind.

Those cheap M/T Martins are not really Martins either. A lot of them are made in Mexico. But their production and sale helps Martins' profitablility and allows Martin to continue producing their more expensive but probably less profitable models that we all love.
 

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I have learned that I am not alone in my in my quest for knowdledge when it comes to this great American Icon, Guild. Many great subjects are covered everyday!
Being down in the bluegrass picking, mountians of southwest Virginia, being a Guild fan can be very lonely. ( I'm hopefull about the new "BJ"acoustics)
I vist other forums, and I will say that this forum is a very civil site, where acute differences of opnions are considered ok, and welcomed...thats a good thing, for without that how could I learn anything.
I am sure this site will continue to grow, how many of us are here as of now???
Have a Merry Christmas... and take some time to play your Guilds!
Dale.
 
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