Good luck strikes twice with Guild warranty repairs

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Between a hectic schedule with limited time on LTG and desire to wait until my repairs were completed, I am now posting about my recent excellent experiece with the Fender Service Center in Nashville.

I own 2 Corona Guilds - a D-50 and a JF12-30. Both were purchased new from out of area web/e-bay dealers in 2003 and 2005 respectively. Both had no issues some Corona Guild owners experienced (checking, etc.)

About a year ago, I noticed the action was a little too low on the D-50. Careful observation showed a slight crack in the bridge. I brought it to my local NJ contract service center and they had to ship it to Nashville as the cost of the repair was beyond the contractor's limit. It took almost 6 months, but, wow, my D-50 has been absolutely perfect ever since.

While the D-50 was out for repair, I noticed the opposite effect on my JF12-30. The action was a little higher, and when I looked at the bridge, the bottom was rising slightly leaving a fraction of an inch of space between the bridge and the top. So when I picked up my D-50, I dropped off my JF12-30. Again, the cost of the repair was beyond the contractor's limit, so it was shipped to Nashville. This time, it took about 3 months - and I have another perfect Guild. In both instances, I paid nothing - no shipping, etc. As I had valid receipts from both dealers, free warranty service was not questioned.

About 7 years ago, I had two other experiences with warranty repairs for guitars from other manufacturers (Gibson and Larrivee). In both situations (which were also new purchases from web dealers), I was instructed to ship the guitars directly at my expense. All ended well as the Larrivee was repaired expertly and the Gibson was replaced with a better model.
 

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I hope I have the same luck getting the neck reset done on my D-50. The first round talking to Fender in CA didn't go so well. Chaz has given me some other contacts in Nashville that I'll try. Hopefully that will go better. We'll see...
 

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I'm curious, what does warranty repairs cover? Are neck resets part of that coverage?
 

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I don't have the warranty booklet handy, but usually it covers manufacturing defects - something indisputable in both my Guild cases. The Larrivee had issues with the truss rod (not sure what they did - they did question that the dealer might have tampered with it, but respected the warranty); the Gibson was an ES-135 that developed a crack through the top starting at the neck pickup and fully separated for about an inch. Resetting a neck could be questionable given my Larrivee situation. My advice: keep trying.
 

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That's great! Even warranty repairs generally require you to pay one way shipping. But I had the same experience years ago with my D-25, as I was the original owner the dealer shipped it for me for free.
 

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Your experiences are certainly reassuring. Glad you have a couple of guitars back that are working well for you.
 

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5 months and counting on my D50 at the Nashville repair center. The wait is breaking my heart.:( This has been unsettling to me as the D50 was my primary gigging and recording guitar. I absolutely cannot wait to get it back. The D50 is the only acoustic that I have ever played, where I immediately bonded with the neck shape.
 

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Very good news, it's what we want to see from Fender. I'm currently trying to determine whether my F65 actually has a lifting bridge or a more common issue related to how it was mounted. It's a VERY late period Westerly. This encourages me to go look up the regional warranty center. Thanks for posting.
 

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The regional contract service provider is the place to start. They will determine if the repair is covered. A lifting bridge, however, should not be a very expensive repair if no parts need to be replaced. I would advise to get it checked out now as it could be a bigger problem if the bridge pops off.
 

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Squawk said:
The regional contract service provider is the place to start. They will determine if the repair is covered. A lifting bridge, however, should not be a very expensive repair if no parts need to be replaced. I would advise to get it checked out now as it could be a bigger problem if the bridge pops off.
HI Squawk appreciate the feedback. The closest regional warranty service center is an electronic wholesale warehouse, I figure it must be a holdover from Fender electric work. That's one reason I haven't gone there, I don't expect to find a real luthier on site. Part 2 is that the "lift" is actually very close in dimension to an issue covered here in a few threads about Guild's bridges not being glued all the way to the edge and thus giving a false impression of lifting. That's what I'm trying to verify now. My luthier says it IS lift but he also says he sees bellying between the bridge and the soundhole which I'm certain is NOT present. So am gathering second opinions. Guitar has less than 300 hours of playing over the 8 years I've owned it. It's due for a fret job so I was considering having it all done at once but don't want to get any unneccessary "surgery" done.
 

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Good luck - the F-65 is one great guitar - definitely worth getting overhauled.
 

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Squawk said:
Good luck - the F-65 is one great guitar - definitely worth getting overhauled.
When I buy 'em I go in intending to own 'em for life. :wink: I knew I was gonna have to 'grow into' this one cause I was so used to dreadnoughts. It's definitely "grown on me",in fact I just realized it's actually been almost exactly 8 years I've had it. :mrgreen: Right now I'm thinking the bridge isn't actually lifting. The "gap" is only between 5-6 thousandths (the gauge of the paper I slip under it) and it's deepest extent is about 5/16" acoss the lower corner and about 3/16" across the curve at the back. It's tight around the rest of the edges. It's been there since new but I can't say for sure if it's actually gotten deeper, cause I never measured it at first, just eyeballed it. So it's in a grey area. My luthier, who did an EXCELLENT job refretting my D25, just seems a little TOO anxious to re-set it. Thus my cautious approach.
 

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adorshki said:
HI Squawk appreciate the feedback. The closest regional warranty service center is an electronic wholesale warehouse, I figure it must be a holdover from Fender electric work.

Seeing as you're in the Silicon Valley.. what's the place? And there aren't other places in the Bay Area? (I have no idea, that's why I'm asking..)

My luthier says it IS lift but he also says he sees bellying between the bridge and the soundhole which I'm certain is NOT present.

Who's your luthier?
 

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jcwu said:
adorshki said:
HI Squawk appreciate the feedback. The closest regional warranty service center is an electronic wholesale warehouse, I figure it must be a holdover from Fender electric work.

Seeing as you're in the Silicon Valley.. what's the place? And there aren't other places in the Bay Area? (I have no idea, that's why I'm asking..)

My luthier says it IS lift but he also says he sees bellying between the bridge and the soundhole which I'm certain is NOT present.

Who's your luthier?
Service center is from Guild website: Musician Service Center/Meridian Ave San Jose
There's another one listed, CB Perkins who has a good rep but I just haven't checked him yet. It's a retail shop. It's in a location I'd only want to go to on Saturdays due to traffic headaches, and my Saturdays are usually pretty booked. I only started looking into it seriously in the last couple of months.
Luthier is Keith Holland Guitars in Los Gatos. He's got a website. Like I said he did a GREAT refret job on my '25 but his evaluation of the F65 was based on a quick sight down the neck and my description of the problem. He's the second guy I ran into who STOPPED being a warranty center because the factory reimbursement schedule doesn't cover the cost of rent in this place. Just trying to be fair here.
Problem with Silicon Valley during the week for a working man is absolute traffic nightmares. And when you want to jam on Saturdays driving around to retail stores for examinations is going to be a 2 hour minimum chunk of time too.
The next closest places in the Bay area are going to be minimum 45 minute to one hour one-way drives. Homey just don't do that if he doesn't HAVE to. :lol:
This place is totally geared to electric players, you can get anything you want all over town 24/7... :lol: No slam intended, it's just how it is.
 

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adorshki said:
Right now I'm thinking the bridge isn't actually lifting. The "gap" is only between 5-6 thousandths (the gauge of the paper I slip under it) and it's deepest extent is about 5/16" acoss the lower corner and about 3/16" across the curve at the back. It's tight around the rest of the edges.

My bridge was evenly raised at least 1/8" from E to E. A very different situation.
 

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Squawk said:
adorshki said:
Right now I'm thinking the bridge isn't actually lifting. The "gap" is only between 5-6 thousandths (the gauge of the paper I slip under it) and it's deepest extent is about 5/16" acoss the lower corner and about 3/16" across the curve at the back. It's tight around the rest of the edges.

My bridge was evenly raised at least 1/8" from E to E. A very different situation.
Right. That's why I'm still getting second opinions. Again in fairness to my luthier, can you blame him for recommending the reset, if the possibility exists that it IS lifting? If he said "no need" for example, and it popped off a month later, he'd have lost me anyway, right?
 

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Several of my Guild's from the '70s have very slight separation of the back edges/ends of the bridge... in which you could slide a piece of thin paper (but not a business card) under 1/8" or so (1/4" under the end, in one case)...

I spoke with three different luthiers/techs about the issue on my two oldest Guilds. All three said there was nothing to worry about, and that it resulted from the way Guild glued bridges on after the top was finished. Apparently, the area masked off for the bridge was smaller than the bridge itself... so the bridge overlaps the finish slightly, and the glue doesn't adhere well to the NC finish.

On these two guitars, the last luthier I consulted did work some yellow or white glue into the gap... but said there was no reason to pull the bridge off, and not to worry.

If you want THE expert's opinion, take it to Frank Ford at Gryphon...

Good luck! Dave
 

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GardMan said:
On these two guitars, the last luthier I consulted did work some yellow or white glue into the gap... but said there was no reason to pull the bridge off, and not to worry.
If you want THE expert's opinion, take it to Frank Ford at Gryphon...
Good luck! Dave
Thanks Gardman, that's exactly the type of feedback I needed. As mentioned, I've come across references to the "syndrome" here as well as the explanation, so I'm pretty sure there's actually no problem. I do know of Gryphon, it's just more of a trek than I care to make on my precious day of play. CB Perkins is a more likely destination, at least they're here in San Jose. I just want to call and make sure they're actually still a Guild warranty shop.
Getting back on subject this might help others understand what you might go through while trying to see if a warranty repair is needed. It DOES need to be verified by an AUTHORIZED service center. If they can't do the work they will ship it to Guild. I would expect that they would understand the proper packaging measures neccessary, but if it came to that, I WOULD STILL ASK THEM HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PACKAGE IT. We've all seen the threads here about shipping nightmares. That's actually my single biggest worry about getting warranty work if it needs to go back to Guild, and I think that should be very carefully considered by anybody getting ready to do the same. Just sayin'..
 
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