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I'm usually not too cynical (at least when it comes to guitars), but I've noticed how prices of major brand USA-made guitars have escalated in the past 2 years or so. Some models of Gibsons have increased by over 50% - Martins and Taylors have increased beyond the CPI as well.

I think it's more of a decision to hit this market head-on while the going's good. But it would be nice if they were thinking of us.

So when are they bringing back the Bluesbirds and Starfires? AND BASSES???
 

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And how about that new neck joint system? Time will tell, I guess. But I'll say, once again, the D-50BS I played last week was nothing short of superb :D it sounded a lot like my DV-52 :D
 

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Dred,

Yes, I did notice that.....something about graphite neck blocks or something. Help me out here, did you ever suffer a bad rash of problems with the neck joints on any of your Westerlys? :)

For that matter, have those problems occured on GADs or Coronas?
Why the need for radical change :?: No doubt graphite is strong and light.

:? West
 

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Two things . . .

First, I believe Guild did run into some neck-joint issues with guitars made in Westerly - at during the later years. So this is (probably) something they've been thinking about for a while.

Second, I think we're going to see a lot more guitar makers moving toward neck joint systems that are more easily maintained over the life of the guitar. I'm saying that I'm for or against this, but I do think the shift is definitely on.

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I think we're going to see a lot more guitar makers moving toward neck joint systems that are more easily maintained over the life of the guitar. I'm saying that I'm for or against this, but I do think the shift is definitely on.

A high priced Martin authorized Luthier told me "20 years from now there are going to be a lot of Happy Taylor owners because of the neck joint. "

Apparently it is relatively easy & inexpensive to reset a Taylor neck.

Don't know if it's true but given the number of fine old guitars in need of a neck set I'm keeping an open mind on modern improvements.
 

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Yes got to agree with Jeff.
Don't know if y'all are talking about bolt on necks but apparently they are a hell of a lot easier to work with than the Dove tail joints of Guild.
Yes I have also read of Guild neck joint problems on Westerly era guitars usually remedied by a neck resets for the duration. Apparently its not a cure just a temporary fix until next time it is required.
I think Hans would be more knowledgeable about the inherent problems of Guild acoustics.
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In morning at confession....

OK - I'm going to agree with Chris on the belief that these new "improved technology" neck blocks are the way of the future - though Taylor's bolt-on (bend-over-and-pick-up-the-soap) concept makes me hurl. However, you are talking about the "commerical" guitar market - as designating the large, mass-producing-mentality makers - which includes Martin, Taylor and Fender among others. In the new Acoustic Guitar magazine there is a long article on how for some time makers like Bourgeois and others have realized that there is a need to go BACK to the old ways , correct a few things, but build wooden guitars that sound like those old revered Martins, Gibsons, Stellas and the like - while not having to pay $20-$30,000. So, that said, I believe there will always be two schools of thought - 1) how to make more, faster, streamline the process, and keep customers coming back for more (note how many Taylor's one can find for resale and on E-bay at any given moment - it is staggering and people still ballyhoo them right and left while trading in and up). And...2) how to make the best-sounding instrument possible with the best materials, with only slight consideration to cost, understanding they'll only make so many in a given time.

Sadly, as a working class musician, I can't afford to have even one of those in the second category and if I could, I certainly wouldn't take it on the road. I have a good friend we tour with a lot and he's got two Collins guitars that he never takes out of the house, except occasionally to the studio. He uses on the road Santa Cruz guitars that sound great and take a good walloping in stride.

As for the former category - I have completely lost interest in what 95% of those guitars sound like. O, I still try this or that when we stop in a store and the proprietor forces on in my hands.... but I NEVER stop in Guitar Centers - can't hear anything, feel like I'm in a big Spencer Gift Store (you know, the modern incarnation of what some lame yuppy remembers as a head shop), and can't take the pretentious "hey, dude" of the sales force. BUT I've come to the conclusion that all the guitars I'll ever own have already been made - and most prior to the mid-90's.

Let me add a sort-of codicil onto that statement and as a glance to these "new" guilds: In the 80's, I didn't like the new narrower headstock and didn't really initially care for a lot of the models during the Gruhn years. I thought they were well-made, I just didn't like the design ideas. Now, as many of you know, I own several Gruhn-designed guitars and swear by them. (Of course, the guitars I use predominantly for recording and for those "special" performances were all built in the 70's - what, I believe, was a hey-day for Guild newly moved to Westerly.) So, things change, people change, needs change, headstocks change, ownership changes and eventually dysfunctional marketing people either go somewhere else or retire and things change again. I've been openly ashamed of Fender's handling of Guild, thus far - but perhaps this signals a change in their handling and their representation of the great Guild name. Just perhaps, there is hope after all for the post-Westerly Guild.

Just a bit of philosophy and confession from one who truly loves his Guilds...from Westerly. Thanks for your patience - I'll now go back to my corner. Peace....dbs
 

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I'm not sure about all the manufactures mentioned in th AG article - but it should be noted that both Collings and Bourgeois have both successfully incorporated the sonic principals of vintage Martins, Gibsons, etc. with mondern design innovations such as the bolt-on neck (which both use).

No offense to Taylor lovers (as this is merely the opinion of one man), but that's always been my beef with them. I've always been impressed by their innovative spirit, but disappointed in the overall outcome.

It at least seems to me that Guild is operating in the Collings-Bourgeois spirit - taking traditional designs and making (or at least attempting to make) real improvements.

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Chris - I agree with your comments on Taylor - I just don't care for the sound - and I've heard and played a lot of them. Just not what I'm looking for, but they've certainly accomplished a lot in their years. As for Collings and Bourgeois, I personally haven't loved the sound of the Collings I've played - more for fingerstyle - and I've only heard a Bourgeois or two and while they were nice....it had a lot to do with the pick-ups and I'm more a microphone man myself. But then, that's what makes me me - going against the common, ordinary or the masses. Besides...Westerly build enough Guilds for me to stay happy the rest of my playing days. The others can have whatever spins their props! Cheers! dbs
 

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Tacoma Guild Manufacturing Facility

I told you guys I was gonna go visit the Tacoma factory & today I did. I found it at least. Haven't been invited in for a tour yet but I'm working on it. It was late Friday afternoon by the time I got there & they were shutting down for the weekend.

The place isn't all that big. Not that you would necessarily need all that big a plant to produce guitars. The Tacoma facility, actually it is in Frederickson, is a production plant only, not marketing, sales or service. All that is in the hands of Fender somewhere else.

They build Tacoma & Guild acoustics.

There's a picture of my contact ,Stacey, in the next post. I can't seem to figure out how to get more than 2 or 3 pics to appear in the text box.





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Tacoma Guild Production Facility.

Stacey works for Fender building Tacoma & Guild guitars in the Frederickson, Wa production facility. One of about 3 employees still at
the plant on a 100 degree Friday afternoon. The place is certainly a low profile operation. Drove right by it & didn't see it.

I explained I was interested in checking out the new C (contemporary) series of Guilds & couldn't find one. She wasn't surprised, says they are not available yet? actually she said Willie's must have pulled some strings to get the one they have. Must have gotten it at NAMM.

Can't swear to the accuracy of her info but she says they are building about 20 guitars a week there with about 40 employees, looking to ramp up now with Fender's money to about 80 employees. The ratio of employees to units produced seems a bit lopsided. Info may not be accurate.

I'm gonna have to think outside the box to get inside & take a look. Fender has a policy of no visitors in the factory because of insurance blah, blah, blah, coorporate yah, yah on & on.

According to the book of Proverbs bribery is usually the quickest & most efficient method, lunch, booze, women, stuff like that. While it is tacky, it works, Just haven't figured out who to bribe yet.

So, for a change I'm commenting on a definite Guild related topic. I'll let you all know when I crack the case.

ps: Guitar Center in Tacoma, has not one Guild Guitar, new or used, in inventory. Kind of wish their employee with all the piercings wasn't quite so proud of that fact. Hard to imagine Fender has spent much quality time with Guitar Center marketing Guild Guitars. Maybe the home
office knows what's happening.

I have to agree with Smith, Guitar center is a hedious place. They have a lot of gear & OK prices but how the devil could you ever tell what it sounds like with all the canned music blasting thu the PA system. Jeez, you can hear it from across the parking lot.




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CV-1 test drive

Hiya.

I went to Willie’s yesterday & took a brief spin on the CV-1. Here's a few comments.

1. It is a beautiful guitar. Rosewood body, spruce top & rosewood fingerboard. The neck does bolt on like a Taylor into a graphite block. The tuners are Gotohs. The finish is flawless & glossy. Everything looks nice & tight, the inlays are clean. I personally dig the script logo, though think it would look better on a mustache-top headstock, like on 50’s Guilds (& what’s that other brand, Gibbon or something?). The new shield (stylistically) looks wrong when paired with the logo. I would have picked something more handmade-looking, like you’d find on a 50’s Guild.

2. It plays like a Guild. The neck feels like the one on my SG-300, the narrow-thick Guild neck profile that I find comfortable. The tuners are smooth & the nut is snag free. I tuned it down to DADGAD & back up with no problems. The body’s comfy. I have not played and actual F-40, so I can’t compare the CV-1 to that, but it fits like a small Martin OO or OOO, & I dig those.

3. Sound is reminiscent of a small Martin. (Again, I don’t have an F-40 to compare to). Sounds good finger picked. A little weak in the bass, but the mids & trebles are sweet. (When tuned down to D, the low string seemed to get lost. Normal EADGBE tuning was better). It would probably be good in a group situation, & would sound nice capoed up. It doesn’t seem to have the balance of, say a D-40 or my GF-25. It doesn’t ring out with the authority of my friend’s vintage D-50 (which of course is bigger, deeper & has an ebony fingerboard). I did play a recent (1990’s) F-30 last year, & if memory serves, that one had a better balance (This may be my memory playing tricks on me. The F-30 was going for $550. I'm a cheapskate. A $550 guitar always sounds better than a $1750 one to me).

4. As far as the neck joint goes, my opinion is that is perfectly valid as a construction. Yes, I appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into a traditional dove tail. Some of my favorite guitar makers use them. But they are a lot of work. I have a cousin who has been building for decades, & he swears by the bolt-on neck joint. It may have an effect on tone, but I think that would be more apparent on a badly executed dovetail. The bolt-on system is likely to be more consistent (Again, my opinion).

I will have to go back & try it again (I got distracted by an 80’s 212-XL). I haven’t decided if I want one yet. I would like to try the cutaway version with the pickup. The CV-1C would probably be a great stage guitar.

By the way, the CO-1 at Willies is gone already.

Dirt
 

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Thanks Dirt, Willie's is a long way from home for me. I'm dying to play one of the new C series. Just as soon as I locate one within a reasonable distance I'm gonna do just that.

I've been paving the way with my mate just in case I find one too good to pass.
 

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CV 1 at Guitars of Montana

[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/pa9cee7cba96c2ee64fde1457b62b4110/ed4729c5.jpg[/img]I paid a visit to Guitars of Montana. It's located in Stanford, Mt, about 60 miles S East of Great Falls, where this picture was taken. Stanford, Montana is the coolest little bitty Tadpole town I've seen. Population 400 & change, don't know how accurate the census info is but something like 394 people were not in town when I passed thru.

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Bing Schmidt has the best selection of new Guilds I've seen, including this CV1 . He made a special trip in to town & opened up just for me.


[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/pc488a287291853d90fe62fd877236b3d/ed472a68.jpg[/img]When Bing popped open the case I thought for sure I was hooked. A stunningly pretty, Sunburst Guild, perfect as far as I could tell, was saying take me home over and over again. . Pretty enough the Redhead said go for it before she even heard it.. I was specifically looking for the smaller model but I'm still not sure how I resisted this one. Partially, I expect, because I didn't want to be the guy to put the first mark on it.

I got to play it a bit & a couple other Models as well. This one has some sweet magic & sounded, to me, noticeably better than a new D 55 Bing had in the shop. Sweet , played like a dream & felt like a much smaller guitar.

I talked myself out of it somehow but if I didn't have the DV 62 at home I don't think I could have said no. As a matter of fact, 10 minutes after I got home I picked up the DV62 just to make sure I hadn't made a mistake.


[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/p389562692049fa776a7c34cd997b5b88/ed472b1f.jpg[/img]Bing has chosen Guild for his high end stock & I'd say at least this particular CV1 is just that. Nice,nice, guitar.

So there you have it fellas, out there in the Farm & Ranch country somewhere in the Missouri River breaks at "Guitars of Montana" is a very sweet Contemporary Guild.
 

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CV 1 at Guitars of Montana

[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/pa9cee7cba96c2ee64fde1457b62b4110/ed4729c5.jpg[/img]I paid a visit to Guitars of Montana. It's located in Stanford, Mt, about 60 miles S East of Great Falls, where this picture was taken. Stanford, Montana is the coolest little bitty Tadpole town I've seen. Population 400 & change, don't know how accurate the census info is but something like 394 people were not in town when I passed thru.

[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/p812e6a70578a5ef8ca1538f2fe4eff1a/ed472bc7.jpg[/img]

Bing Schmidt has the best selection of new Guilds I've seen, including this CV1 . He made a special trip in to town & opened up just for me.


[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/pc488a287291853d90fe62fd877236b3d/ed472a68.jpg[/img]When Bing popped open the case I thought for sure I was hooked. A stunningly pretty, Sunburst Guild, perfect as far as I could tell, was saying take me home over and over again. . Pretty enough the Redhead said go for it before she even heard it.. I was specifically looking for the smaller model but I'm still not sure how I resisted this one. Partially, I expect, because I didn't want to be the guy to put the first mark on it.

I got to play it a bit & a couple other Models as well. This one has some sweet magic & sounded, to me, noticeably better than a new D 55 Bing had in the shop. Sweet , played like a dream & felt like a much smaller guitar.

I talked myself out of it somehow but if I didn't have the DV 62 at home I don't think I could have said no. As a matter of fact, 10 minutes after I got home I picked up the DV62 just to make sure I hadn't made a mistake.


[img:450:338]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid212/p389562692049fa776a7c34cd997b5b88/ed472b1f.jpg[/img]Bing has chosen Guild for his high end stock & I'd say at least this particular CV1 is just that. Nice,nice, guitar.

So there you have it fellas, out there in the Farm & Ranch country somewhere in the Missouri River breaks at "Guitars of Montana" is a very sweet Contemporary Guild.
 
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