GUILD D-15m

[adorshki]

No, Guild is not fully correct in that link. There was never a "D-20" that I'm aware of prior to 2016.
CMG renamed all Guilds to the new scheme, so a vintage D-25 was suddently a D-20 in new 2016 production.
You see why if you study that scheme, the most confusing as example is the F-20 which is now a M-40...



Ralf

Right. The diagram that announced the death of the Guild Grand Orchestra (16" jumbo) body.

 

[Bernie]

So in short there were 2 different D 25s (arched back and flatback), a D 15, and now there is a D 20 too. D 15s, D 25s archback, and D 20s are all hog guitars (?), when flatback D 25s may have other woods for back & sides, is that right ? (maybe not that bad to make it more simple )
The D 15 Adorski posted last page looks exactly like the guitar the guy I knew have...So if his is a D 25, he possibly called it D 20 after becoming aware of the new guild nomenklatura (he's been working in a music shop for a while some years ago). His guitar has a flat back though...I'll have to ask him. Thanks Ralf for your post : it is very instructive.

 

[midnightright]

So in short there were 2 different D 25s (arched back and flatback), a D 15, and now there is a D 20 too. D 15s, D 25s archback, and D 20s are all hog guitars (?), when flatback D 25s may have other woods for back & sides, is that right ? (maybe not that bad to make it more simple )
The D 15 Adorski posted last page looks exactly like the guitar the guy I knew have...So if his is a D 25, he possibly called it D 20 after becoming aware of the new guild nomenklatura (he's been working in a music shop for a while some years ago). His guitar has a flat back though...I'll have to ask him. Thanks Ralf for your post : it is very instructive.

I'm not aware of any D-25's having anything other than Mahogany for its back & sides, but maybe somebody can correct me! The D-4 is also just like a D-25 except for the difference in finish (most of the time). They were made in the 90s. They also had a slightly different headstock ornamentation.

 

[midnightright]

And also, if I've read that right @Bernie - the D 25 with the archback is most commonly found with a spruce top. Sorry to confuse? It's probably explained better, and in more detail earlier - but I do understand that there is a lot of info. to digest here (in a relatively short time span, or period). Some of us, it's a little closer to second nature, given that we've been breathing & living these things for years, if not decades!

 

[midnightright]

*See @adorshki 's 2nd post on the previous pg. I was going to quote just part of it, but as it turns out - I don't know how to do that...

 

[adorshki]

So in short there were 2 different D 25s (arched back and flatback),

3 different D25's: All-hog flatback, all-hog archback, and 'hog body/spruce top archback.

a D 15, and now there is a D 20 too. D 15s, D 25s archback, and D 20s are all hog guitars (?),

No, the D25 archback were made with both 'hag AND spruce tops. The spruce top is the most common..and the D15 is the same wood formula as the all-hog archback D25.

when flatback D 25s may have other woods for back & sides, is that right ?

No. A D25 has a 'hog body by definition, different body woods are different dreadnought models: Rosewood=D50/D55. Maple = D30/D65 for example.
Only the back style and top woods varied on D25's.

The D 15 Adorski posted last page looks exactly like the guitar the guy I knew have...So if his is a D 25, he possibly called it D 20 after becoming aware of the new guild nomenklatura (he's been working in a music shop for a while some years ago). His guitar has a flat back though...I'll have to ask him. Thanks Ralf for your post : it is very instructive.

Original flatback D25's were either Cherry or Brown, both fade to a light color over time and may look like that "Natural" D15, the "Brown" goes more orangey while the Cherry goes more "yellow".

I can't conceive of a reasonable justification for calling something that's clearly labeled as one model a different model. Please ask him what the label says.

 

[GardMan]

...when flatback D 25s may have other woods for back & sides, is that right ?

Don't know how much it will clarify things, but here's a link to a list I complied a few years back of Guild dreads from the Hoboken/Westerly years, with some of the Corona-made, such as the Corona D-25, as well.

Two other arched mahogany-backed models that (AFAIK) haven't yet shown up in this discussion are the D-16 and D-17, which might be considered "upscale" siblings of the D-15. Both have mahogany tops, sides, and arched mahogany backs, and differ only in their binding (or lack thereof). Being all-mahogany arched back dreads, they, like the D-15, might be considered "descendants" of the '73-'74 transition-era all-mahogany D-25s.

 

[Bernie]

I'm not aware of any D-25's having anything other than Mahogany for its back & sides, but maybe somebody can correct me! The D-4 is also just like a D-25 except for the difference in finish (most of the time). They were made in the 90s. They also had a slightly different headstock ornamentation.

It seemed to me that Westerly Wood Had a D-25 with Brazilian back & sides : was I wrong ?

 

[Guilderland21]

It seemed to me that Westerly Wood Had a D-25 with Brazilian back & sides : was I wrong ?

I remember him referring to a D-25BR, but I believe that was BR for brown finish rather than Brazilian rosewood, and that he had (or has) one of the all-mahogany versions of the model.

 

[Bernie]

I read the beginning of the link you gave Gard Man : pfouittt !, quite a few guitars (and only dreads). That's the most disturbing thing about Guild for newcomers, the number of different guitars they've made...Very tricky when you have to learn them all !

Thanks Al for all the info about D 25s : I can see it's not as easy as I thought : I had forgotten about spruce tops . Sorry if it's the one you have (which I believe)...

What about Westerly Wood's D-25 Braz mentioned in his signature ?

Yes I'll try to ask my friend about his guitar : it surely is a D-25 as it is quite old (I may have bee mistaken)...
I hadn't read one of these long messages you write in quite a long time : good to see you in a good shape. Thanks again

 

[GardMan]

What about Westerly Wood's D-25 Braz mentioned in his signature ?

The D-25BR in WW's signature is a D-25 "Brown," for brown-stained mahogany. In fact, I believe he refer's to it in posts as "The Brown"...

 

[E-Type]

Not right Ralf, according to Guild themselves www.guildguitars.com/g/d-20-in-natural

I am going to bet they mean to say the current (all mahogany, flat-back, dreadnought) D-20 is a modern day D-25 as it was introduced in 1968.

 

[adorshki]

Thanks Al for all the info about D 25s : I can see it's not as easy as I thought : I had forgotten about spruce tops . Sorry if it's the one you have (which I believe)...

What about Westerly Wood's D-25 Braz mentioned in his signature ?

Yes I'll try to ask my friend about his guitar : it surely is a D-25 as it is quite old (I may have bee mistaken)...
I hadn't read one of these long messages you write in quite a long time : good to see you in a good shape. Thanks again

It's because it's a D25BR for "Brown" as others mentioned, just to add to the consensus.
And thanks for the post appreciation.

 

[adorshki]

I am going to bet they mean to say the current (all mahogany, flat-back, dreadnought) D-20 is a modern day D-25 as it was introduced in 1968.

I think "D25" was verboten-speak for Cordoba's marketing department. Can't be showin' the customers other stuff to buy.

Might be more D25's made than Oxnard's entire output so far, wouldn't surprise me.

 

[E-Type]

Oh, and just to really muk things up, after started making D-25s with spruce tops, they conveniently started staining them to look like mahogany and the stickers on those would be marked D-25m. I have seen more than one place on the Internet where people assert that the m indicates it has a mahogany top. Arrrgh!