How do you prefer to amplify?

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just wondering what the consensus is on pickup vs. microphone
I'm playing a '76 D50 which is plenty loud on its own but I've been considering a passive pickup for it
then part of me says don't alter the guitar in any way

what say ye
 

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I've used piezo, piezo with an internal microphone, and an external instrumental microphone to amplify different acoustic guitars.
All have worked well for what I need.
I use a Shure SM57 Cardioid Dynamic Instrumental Microphone to amplify my fully acoustics.
I've never used a soundhole pickup.
 

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I only play in my home studio. I tried an SM57 but it felt too rigid having to keep the guitar in the same place all the time. I've tried various pickups, and the only one I like is the LR Baggs Anthem, plugged straight into my mixer. To my ear it sounds pretty much identical to the acoustic tone on recordings. I don't notice that adding the Anthem affects the guitar tone, and it's a big controller glued to the soundboard.
 

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just wondering what the consensus is on pickup vs. microphone
I'm playing a '76 D50 which is plenty loud on its own but I've been considering a passive pickup for it
then part of me says don't alter the guitar in any way

what say ye

Depends. Why do you want to be amplified and under what circumstances?

If you are playing onstage and want to move around a lot a mic is going to keep you in one place. Whether feedback is a problem and what you do about it is different between mics and pickups. If you are your own roadie at an open mic, mics will take more time to set up and dial in if needed.

My observation is that the people who actually use mics are the ones who want the amplified sound to be as close as possible to the acoustic sound.

If it's not about performing but recording then most people seem to say mics are the better solution but then not all home studio recordings need to meet "commercial" or hi-fi standards.

In this day and age many buyers will not reject an instrument that has had a pickup installed just because the PU was not factory. Indeed many PU installations are reversible.

So on the presumption that you are more of a guitar hobbyist - you play out sometimes, write and record your own songs, etc. but are not really expecting Fame and Fortune, I'd advise choosing a passive PU that can be installed with no modifications to the guitar and then uninstalled if factory condition becomes important. My personal observation is "removable" pickups, such as sound hole PUs can cause damage if installed and removed too often so I would avoid them as a solution that preserves factory condition except when amplification is needed. If that option looks good then go with microphones instead.
 

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I played at church every Sunday for a lot of years. Had a piezo in my D25, switched to a K&K pure mini. It gave the most natural sound direct through the sound board. Easy to install and requires no modification other than the endpin for the jack.
 

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I'm playing a '76 D50 which is plenty loud on its own but I've been considering a passive pickup for it
then part of me says don't alter the guitar in any way
I had a K&K Pure 12-String installed in my F512, which I plug straight into my amp. Takes a lot of dialing in. I'm not real crazy about it, but that may just be due to my ignorance about its application.....
 

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For live performance, I'm a huge fan of magnetic soundhole pickups. I personally prefer the Fishman Rare Earth humbucker, but there are several great options.

I've long moved past "natural acoustic sound" as my goal, instead looking for something full, airy and alive. My current setup being the Rare Earth into a Fishman Platinum for EQ and compression, and reverb or tape echo in the effects loop.

When recording, I use either a Shure Beta 57 or fairly inexpensive MXR condenser, usually combined with the pickup for more presence.
 

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Depends. Why do you want to be amplified and under what circumstances?

If you are playing onstage and want to move around a lot a mic is going to keep you in one place. Whether feedback is a problem and what you do about it is different between mics and pickups. If you are your own roadie at an open mic, mics will take more time to set up and dial in if needed.

My observation is that the people who actually use mics are the ones who want the amplified sound to be as close as possible to the acoustic sound.

If it's not about performing but recording then most people seem to say mics are the better solution but then not all home studio recordings need to meet "commercial" or hi-fi standards.

In this day and age many buyers will not reject an instrument that has had a pickup installed just because the PU was not factory. Indeed many PU installations are reversible.

So on the presumption that you are more of a guitar hobbyist - you play out sometimes, write and record your own songs, etc. but are not really expecting Fame and Fortune, I'd advise choosing a passive PU that can be installed with no modifications to the guitar and then uninstalled if factory condition becomes important. My personal observation is "removable" pickups, such as sound hole PUs can cause damage if installed and removed too often so I would avoid them as a solution that preserves factory condition except when amplification is needed. If that option looks good then go with microphones instead.
This is an excellent response, Frono.

For many years, I ran an open mic night at a nearby bar. Most performers came with a guitar I could plug straight into the mixer. Some did not, and I had to mic them with a SM-57. I was always walking a tightrope when amplifying a guitar through a mic. Too little gain, and no one could hear the guitar. Too much, and feedback was a real issue. And there was this fine line between the two. I had to stay glued to the mixer to walk that line, something a performer can't do themself while playing. So, my advice is if you are going to be playing in public, without someone running sound, you are asking for trouble if you're playing with any real volume (especially if you are using a stage monitor, which invites feedback).

In my own guitars, I have tried soundhole pickups with some success, but that cord dangling out of the soundhole is Murphys Law just waiting to happen. If you or a bandmate trip over that cord, at least the cord will disconnect from the 1/8" plug on the pickup, stopping you dead in your tracks. At worst, the cord doesn't come unplugged, and you crack the top or rip a chunk off of it.

My solution is that I have a stage guitar (Huss & Dalton) with a K&K passive pickup and a 1/4" endpin jack, and one backup (an old beat to heck Martin 0-17) with the same system. It is easy to switch from one to another without changing the mix.

I also have a number of guitars that I leave entirely unmolested, played only as they were meant to be as acoustic instruments.
 

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I had a K&K Pure 12-String installed in my F512, which I plug straight into my amp. Takes a lot of dialing in. I'm not real crazy about it, but that may just be due to my ignorance about its application.....
I've tried the K&K through a Boss AD-2. The AD-2 helped, but the sound still quacked.
 

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Couple Fishman equipped Guilds, work well enough of not a bit nasal, Dave Matthews tone I think of it as.
Whenever I listen to videos of pickups, they sound dark/nasal like this at best. Awful quack at worst. This includes videos I've watched of the LR Baggs Anthem. In my setup, the Anthem sounds great. But I'm at low volume in a home studio and can blend the tru mic without worrying about feedback.
 

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I find that the marriage of acoustic guitar and pickup has wildly inconsistent results. That's why I don't usually make recommendations. I have had good results with the K&K mini, and poor results. My default recommendation would be a simple Fishman or LR Baggs UST with proper installation.
 

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K&K passive worked well in my D25 when I was plugging in to PA system.
So easy, no fuss, just plug and play. No feedback and for a cheap pup system, it produced a good sound that cut thru mix well.
 

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just wondering what the consensus is on pickup vs. microphone
I'm playing a '76 D50 which is plenty loud on its own but I've been considering a passive pickup for it
then part of me says don't alter the guitar in any way

what say ye

Note that the OP is trying to decide between a pick up and a mic. Specific pickup recommendations are not answering the question unless we assume that the recommendation means "<the recommended pickup> is better than any mic you could possibly find". Same applies to microphone models.
 

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I had a K&K Pure 12-String installed in my F512, which I plug straight into my amp. Takes a lot of dialing in. I'm not real crazy about it, but that may just be due to my ignorance about its application.....
I'm no fan of K&Ks just because of this. Just too much eq needed. I've used Dazzos, each tailored to the guitar and installed by Teddy Randazzo himself. It's plug and play. Very good sounding but not the holy grail. Finger stylists seem to like onboard mic dual systems. But Dazzos sound good and aren't fussy. A friend has them in an F 112 and it sounds great.
 

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All pickup systems in acoustics are a compromise. If you're trying to replicate pure acoustic tone you're going to be disappointed no matter the pickup. Change your mindset so that you see the plugged in tone as its own thing and work with it. I have a K&K in a couple guitars and they are fine, definitely more natural sounding than any of the UST pickups IMO.
 

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I also use a K&K Pure Mini when I'm playing out. It's definitely a compromise, it definitely doesn't sound like the guitar unplugged, but it's acceptable, and far superior to the Fishman "quackmaster" pickups that Guild was installing in the 1990s and early 2000s. I've tried performing with a Baggs Lyric internal mic, and although it does produce the sound of the actual guitar, it also feeds back at more than minimal volume, especially when there's a monitor.
 
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