How many D25's were built?

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This may have been addressed before, but I couldn't find it with a search, neither here nor online.

I'm assuming they built more D25's than any other model, but my assumptions have been known to be wrong.

These numbers are probably changing in that they aren't making D25's anymore.
 

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You could probably get a rough idea for the years when Guild assigned serial numbers to specific models.

The years when serial numbers were assigned consecutively, irrespective of the model, would make calculating a true total pretty difficult I suspect, if not impossible.
 

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You could probably get a rough idea for the years when Guild assigned serial numbers to specific models.

The years when serial numbers were assigned consecutively, irrespective of the model, would make calculating a true total pretty difficult I suspect, if not impossible.

Been down that road, dead end.
 

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I do think we all agreed the arched back D25 was US Guild “s most produced model.
 

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We have done it several times. We always say the same thing - don't know and won't know unless new data comes to light. Serial number analysis might give a defensible number but not accurate. Many people say more D25's than any other model and I think there is a non-LTG source for that but no details.
 

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I bought one for my brother in the early 80s; he's a Martin guy, but had run into a hard patch and was forced to sell his best guitars, and didn't have one that was suitable to take out to a jam any longer.

He owned it for several years, then swapped it for a Martin (as I recall). It was a nice guitar, but I think I liked it more than he did.
 

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I have access to better search than is possible on the website:





 

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What I'm suggesting is that they may be outproducing the D25 with newer models.

Ah ha! That's a new question.

I'm not certain we have seen enough data to speculate whether the Oxnard production of a particular model has allowed the overall production of some model to exceed that of the D-25.

We know New Hartford production never exceeded 5,000 Guilds a year. There's anecdotal evidence that Oxnard has not yet started outproducing New Hartford.

The basic question is problematic because a Guild model does not mean the same thing over the decades. Do we, for example, count the current D-20 as a new model or as a variation of a D-25 with the "wrong" model number?

Since I do get snarky when some things get repeated let me note that this has evolved into a new topic and so I will apologize for any snark.
 

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"The basic question is problematic because a Guild model does not mean the same thing over the decades. Do we, for example, count the current D-20 as a new model or as a variation of a D-25 with the "wrong" model number?"

They just ain't D25's.

Come to think of it, it will probably be a long time before the D25 is out-produced.
 

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They just ain't D25's.
Just quoting other people's opinion.

To illustrate the issue, consider the JetStar bass. Guild made a version with a "Gumby" shaped body in the early 60's. They phased that bass out and made a double cut away bass in the 70's. The double cutaway was most often referred to as the JS bass. There are people who said JS stands for "JetStar" and even Guild put labels in a double cut away body that said "JetStar". So if you ask about the production numbers for JetStar basses you first need to decide whether you are going to use "were labelled as JetStar" or "Gumby body shape and labelled as JetStar" before you begin the count.
 

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The good news is that you can buy a nice vintage D25 at a decent price if you shop around online.
 

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We have done it several times. We always say the same thing - don't know and won't know unless new data comes to light. Serial number analysis might give a defensible number but not accurate. Many people say more D25's than any other model and I think there is a non-LTG source for that but no details.
I believe that's a reference to pg 12 of the first Guild Gallery, "More D25's have been sold than any other Guild":

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When I first saw that back in '97 I assumed it was accurate. In fact I think I was the first person to cite it here.

Since then I've realized Fender itself didn't always have an accurate handle on Guild's history, and 2 issues cloud their ability to make that statement:

A: As has been noted, it's virtually impossible to assign a production figure to them for the years in which s/n's aren't model-specific, (basically all the '70's when one suspects production was breaking new records) unless one has the complete shipping records showing what left Westerly. I'm not even sure Hans has complete records, can't recall if he ever mentioned it.
B: Beginning at some point in '94 D4's and D25's actually used the same s/n sequence, one cannot tell which is which by s/n without the guitar in hand so s/n records are useless for that period as well.

I doubt very much Fender invested the time to vet the shipping records to obtain actual numbers shipped, still, the sheer volume of s/n's that can be tracked shows that the D25 was a production staple and I suspect Fender's claims are actually true. And maybe they included D4 sales in there, too.

Since the D25 was dropped from US production in '04, it is possible that its sales volume has been overtaken by another model, but given the substantial shrink in production volume after close of Westerly, I doubt it.

In the end only Hans could answer that, and only if he actually has the complete Westerly and Corona production(shipping) records.
 
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