I need a " How you can sound like the guitar in < insert song title > " reference

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I hear folks on YouTube, like the guys on " That Pedal Show " or Rick Beato or even just my favorite songs in the blues or rock areas and I don't know enough about pedal into amp variables to pull of the tone I hear. When the gain knobs get twirled up, the low end notes seem muddy to me and not " Cool metal " or heavy blues tones or Pink Floyd like. Most often I read that the songs that have great sounding solos are more over driven or have more distortion effect than you would think. I'm sure most web sites that have players who know, don't go down that road for fear of being blocked at worst of demonitized at best.

I spent so many years listening and trying to play acoustic stuff, I never learned to come up with cool rock tones. I'm sure there is more to SRV than the right model Tube Screamer and 13s for strings on a beat up Strat.
 

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FWIW it took me decades to hear things. I played primarily electric guitar from the age of 13 and remember being baffled by the guitar tone in Pink Floyd only to learn literally 20 years later that the tone I was so amazed by was mostly single coils from a Strat (of course discounting talented fingers). Why? Because I'd never played a Strat or any guitar with single coils! I literally never knew anyone with a Strat growing up. We all had humbuckers. SO many great tones are Strat-based and buying a Strat and fooling around with it was eye-opening. And don't even get me started on P90s! Whoa!

The single greatest way to figure out tones is experience. It took me analyzing Brian Setzer records to learn about slapback delay and the sound of a Gretch with Filtertrons. "Bigsby's are stupid. Hey - how's Brian Setzer get that cool warbly sound? Bigsby you say?"

I'd always avoided Fender amps because most of them hurt my ears in person, but building a Champ kit made me realize that the Fender amps hurt my ears because a) they were the wrong amps for what I was trying to do and b) I had no idea how to dial them in.

My advice? Cheat. Look it up. Then you'll go, "Nice" and remember that. The look up some other thing. The Internet is a HUGE resource for tone that didn't exist when I was a kid.
 

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Also there used to be an absolutely amazing website that showed how to get tone for a song by showing how that song was recorded from guitar to pedal to amp. I can't remember the name of it but I'm pretty sure one day it was just gone.

Edit - GuitarGeek.com I think:

 

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Looks like GuitarChalk.com is trying to revive it. Pics were like this (Jimi Hendrix 1969):

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The site also had specific settings for specific songs as I recall.
 

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I hear folks on YouTube, like the guys on " That Pedal Show " or Rick Beato or even just my favorite songs in the blues or rock areas and I don't know enough about pedal into amp variables to pull of the tone I hear.
Yup. As mentioned above, Google and YouTube will let you look up lots of popular guitar tones. For instance, you can look up Clapton woman tone and find several ways to imitate it.

And you're right. The pedal, guitar, and amp all team up to decide the tone. A Tele has twang and spank, a Strat has quack and bounce, humbuckers are smooth and loud. A Marshall has kra-a-ang (EL-34 tubes), while a Fender is fatter and cleaner (6L6 tubes).*

Like food groups and dog breeds, there are families of overdrive pedals. You can find clones for Klons, Tube Screamers, Blues Breakers, Fuzz Faces, Dallas Rangemasters, and other classic designs. Each has its own voice, character, and assets.

So you might continue your pedal education by Googling and YouTubing each of those to get a sense of which does what, who uses them, and how. For example, a Klon (or clone) is usually used lightly through an amp with lots of headroom, just to add presence. Think Chicago blues. A Rangemaster (or clone) is more often found in front of a very crunchy amp and is kicked on after the breakup threshhold, for the proverbial "beyond beyond." Think seventies album rock.
When the gain knobs get twirled up, the low end notes seem muddy to me and not " Cool metal " or heavy blues tones or Pink Floyd like. Most often I read that the songs that have great sounding solos are more over driven or have more distortion effect than you would think. I'm sure most web sites that have players who know, don't go down that road for fear of being blocked at worst of demonitized at best.

I spent so many years listening and trying to play acoustic stuff, I never learned to come up with cool rock tones. I'm sure there is more to SRV than the right model Tube Screamer and 13s for strings on a beat up Strat.
You're right, there is. For one thing, he had talent. For another, he slammed the strings murderously. That's why he needed thirteens. Nothing lighter would last the night.

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* An amp shopping tip: You can use a pedal to dirty up a clean amp, but no pedal will clean up a dirty amp. (Likewise, a pedal can fatten an underwound guitar pickup, but no pedal can thin an overwound pickup. That's why Vaughn could use underwound pickups and a Fender amp: Unlike Hendrix, he had a Tube Screamer.)
 
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Just a random related FYI, here's a new ad for an Electro-Harmonix Analog Flanger with Andy Summers. Add it to the list of pedals made for a particular "classic" sound. I like when he talks about his quest to create his own guitar sound, and together with Sting and Stewart Copeland, have the The Police as a band create their own unique sound.



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Also beware that tone quests can quickly devolve into mental illness :)

SRV played LOUD. Later on he also liked Dumbles.

Prey the magic tone you’re seeking doesn’t involve a Klon Centaur!

And then you decide that the good old Tube Screamer. Well, remember how everyone loves tubes and hates transistors? Tube Screamer purists will tell you that there is only one chip that gets *that* sound. You can even send your modern Tube Screamer to Analogman to get the proper parts replaced: https://www.analogman.com/ts9.htm. I've done this. I had the fever.

Fuzz pedals? Germanium or silicon? Better get one of each.

Guild Foxey Lady? 2-knob or three? There are two main versions of each and they all sound different. And since EH used off the shelf parts there are component variations especially in the later 3-knobs.

EVH tone? You’ll need a Plexi and a Variac.

Brian Setzer? Nothing but an actual Roland Space Echo will do, not to mention a real ‘63 Bassman and a long-ass cable. Of course you’ll need the right tubes.

Joe Bonammassa gets a CRAZY good tone. All you need is a vintage Les Paul, multiple different vintage amps wired in parallel with each other, and a history of playing with blues greats because you were a prodigy and they all invited you to play with them.

Brian May? Woof... He's just one example of someone who plays through multiple amps with one clean, one wet (with effects), and one dry (one without effects). And that guitar! And the treble booster (gotta be the right kind!)

As someone who enjoys a wide variety of music I found this to me a maddening and expensive pursuit. If I wanted to really recreate the tone from my favorite guitarists I'd need a Marshall amp (or two), a Fender amp (or three), a Vox, a Mesa Boogie, and an Orange amp. Oh, and a Two-Rock... Then I'd need a pedal board wired to all of them, and enough guitars to get the right sound (got that covered. :) )

Which is why I abandoned it all and bought an Axe-FX.
 

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Also beware that tone quests can quickly devolve into mental illness
Absolutely! This is why I play my acoustics way more than any of my electrics. The tone quest just drives me crazy(ier). When I play my X-175, I just plug into my little Fender Pro Junior, add a little reverb from a pedal, and just focus on my playing. And, it's all way cheaper that way, as well.
 

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Absolutely! This is why I play my acoustics way more than any of my electrics. The tone quest just drives me crazy(ier). When I play my X-175, I just plug into my little Fender Pro Junior, add a little reverb from a pedal, and just focus on my playing. And, it's all way cheaper that way, as well.

There is a certain joy to a simple rig. Almost any electric plugged into my Champ clone is fun and it only has one knob. :)
 

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Sometimes, the G&L Tribute guitar and the Carver Vintage 16 is enough for a simple blues tone. I think it's the rock tones after that is my quest. I am a sucker for the " I want that!" syndrome after a really good demo. My cheap dude budget cap is my only ( money ) saving grace.
 
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