Learning From Players You've Seen, Concerts - Clubs

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Some of you must be like me. I always watch guitarists closely and try to pick up on what they are doing.

I've learned a few riffs. Through the years though what I've mainly learned is how a guitar fits into a band: Rhythm not too loud. Lead carving out a frequency that cuts through. Not playing all the time. Varying one's volume and attack to work under and around vocals.

I've learned to play different riffs and such throughout a performance lest I repeat too much and become boring. Seen that happen often over the years.

I've seen plenty of concerts where I didn't learn a damn thing and thought - I wish this band had a good guitarist.

I've learned from seeing club level bands, like mine, that as a or the guitarist you need to blend in and not make it all about you. Too many players do this. Sometimes it is all about you but only sometimes. the rest of the time it's not.

I've also learned how when a club lead player hits his distortion it often gets lost in the mix and makes a sound reminiscent of a swarm of angry bees. Too many notes and no clarity of sound and probably needs less bass, more treble.

A lot of the above actually holds true for acoustic player. I hate seeing someone who just slams a steady rhythm with little or no feel...often fighting with their vocals. This last thought is not, obviously, concert performers but at lounges and the like.

Just some thoughts triggered by some recent experiences at shows both good and bad.


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Some of you must be like me. I always watch guitarists closely and try to pick up on what they are doing.
Long ago I played a version of this on keys, recalled from memory, couldn't even remember where it came from or from who. (Hey, it was the 60s.) I eventually figured out it was Jorma's "Embryonic Journey" on one of the Airplane's early albums. Then I finally found a video of Jorma playing it that showed how he did it. Not being a "real" guitar player, took me about 6 months to get it into some sort of recording shape, even then with a lot of comping -- cutting and pasting. This is a second version I did with a "kind-of" Kottke intro, and I added some keys near the end.... 😁

 

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Might fine Cougar. My ears say you got a lot going on with both of your hands. A Panoramic view of your lake and playing that on the porch - got bring smiles. You D Man!
 

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Thanks, Stuball. Is it true you never drink water, you always drink wine? 😁


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Decided at early age I wasn't gonna drink any form of alcoholic beverage. Watched it destroy my brother and have no problem with other folks drinking - but after watching my brother, I was afraid I might like it, too, and not be able to control it. Call me scaredy cat.
 

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Some of you must be like me. I always watch guitarists closely and try to pick up on what they are doing.
Indeed.

The first instance of learning by watching someone for me would be from watching my Dad play around the campfire when we were kids. He had a way of playing rhythm guitar where he would slightly release tension on the chord he was holding to dampen the strings and give it a "strum chunk-a strum chunk-a strum" texture that I still use when playing some songs.

I also recall first watching the Stevie Ray Vaughn DVD "Live at the El Macambo" and seeing how he played a shuffle on the E and A strings and thinking "Oh... that's how you do it!" He would dampen the 4 strings not being played and just swing away with his picking hand

As to clubs, I recall once seeing Joyce Cooling at a small club in Walnut Creek, CA. She is a very attractive woman and she walked up to me at one point during a break and said "You play guitar" I said "Yes, how did you know?" She said "Because every time I look out in the audience at you you're looking at my hand on the guitar neck."

Here's a little video of Joyce Cooling with some San Francisco scenery.

 

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As to clubs, I recall once seeing Joyce Cooling at a small club in Walnut Creek, CA. She is a very attractive woman and she walked up to me at one point during a break and said "You play guitar" I said "Yes, how did you know?" She said "Because every time I look out in the audience at you you're looking at my hand on the guitar neck."
Awesome story!!!!! I love it.
 

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Marc, are you playing regularly these days post-COVID? Just curious.
I practice/jam with my jam band, AHD: About Half Dead most Monday's. We played a few gigs last summer and are about to start making calls to book some for the spring. Also recently started a duo with a woman who sings and plays guitar and hoping this works out. If it does we will try to start gigging with some regularity starting in May or June.

Here's a clip, Angel From Montgomery, from last Monday Evening.
http://s350968899.onlinehome.us/halfdead/2024/01-22-24/03 - Angel From Montgomery.MP3

I have been gigging sporadically since '22, but, it's been a minute since I've been playing out 2 - 4 times a month. Lots of places 'round here do regularly have live music.
 

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Many of the guitarists I’ve seen just make me walk right by my guitars for several weeks. :LOL:

Hard to come home feeling like you learned something from the likes of Danny Gatton and Jeff Beck. It’s like going to a Steven Hawking lecture and then trying to apply that to a Jr College algebra 101 course. :ROFLMAO: As for band members knowing their place in the mix. I learned all that playing violin in orchestras as a kid.
 

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Many of the guitarists I’ve seen just make me walk right by my guitars for several weeks. :LOL:

Hard to come home feeling like you learned something from the likes of Danny Gatton and Jeff Beck. It’s like going to a Steven Hawking lecture and then trying to apply that to a Jr College algebra 101 course. :ROFLMAO: As for band members knowing their place in the mix. I learned all that playing violin in orchestras as a kid.


Or Derek Trucks or TE...r...

When I get home after seeing a great player I feel compelled to pick up my guitar and play for a good hour. Jeff Beck maybe not because what he does is so foreign to what I do or am capable of ever doing.
 

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When I get home after seeing a great player I feel compelled to pick up my guitar and play for a good hour.
I agree.

Once, when I lived in San Francisco and shared a rehearsal space there, I saw James McMurtry at a club and went straight to the rehearsal studio (24 hour access) and sat down and wrote a song. Sometimes seeing someone you admire live in concert can be very inspiring.
 
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