Let's Talk About the Sun

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Take a look at this pic. You've probably seen it in my Eclipse threads:

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Compared to the Earth, the sun is really, REALLY big. How big? If you saw totality then you probably noticed the giant pink spot on the bottom. Here's my pic:

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To put that in perspective, the Earth is 1/108th the diameter of the sun. Here's my representation of that scale. The blue dot is the size of Earth:

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As you probably know, the Earth is 93 million miles from the sun. This varies based on its position in orbit, but it's really, really far away. This distance is called one Astronomical Unit or AU.

In some of my science and photography threads I've mentioned the Inverse Square Law which states that energy decreases with the inverse square of the distance. In other words every time you double the distance from an energy source you 1/4 the energy received. Triple the distance and you get 1/9th the energy, and so-on.

Think about standing in front of a camp fire or a fireplace with a roaring fire and think about how if you take even a step or two back you can feel the dramatic difference in the heat from the fire. A roaring fire in a fireplace feels very different close up than it does just a few feet away in the same room. This is the inverse square law in action.

Now lets go back to the sun. The sun is a self-sustaining fusion reactor that pumps out an incredible amount of energy in the form of full-spectrum radiation including infra-red and ultra-violet. And it's 93,000,000 miles away. Yet on a clear day if you stand outside and hold your hands up to the sun you can feel its heat. Remembering that Inverse Square Law, imagine what the energy output is for that enormous ball of fusion 93M miles away to warm your hands here on Earth.

And it gets weirder! The sun is made of mostly hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen is the lightest element there is with only one electron so of course it's lighter than helium which has two. Think about a helium balloon: If you pop it, the helium rushes up since it's so much lighter than air and dissipates into the surrounding air in a split second. Gases expand to fill their container, and helium without a container just stops being a cloud of helium and becomes a bunch of atoms spread all around until they rise up to the upper atmosphere. Helium is also very stable so it doesn't react with other elements. Hydrogen is even lighter.

Now imagine billions of years ago that there's so much hydrogen floating around in space that it starts to attract all the other hydrogen nearby due to gravity. Imagine that there is SO much hydrogen that the gravity forms it all into a ball which gets bigger and bigger with more and more hydrogen attracted until the hydrogen is under so much pressure from its own gravity that the atoms mash together and fuse because of the insane pressure and heat.

BAM - a star is born.

It is estimated that out sun is ~4 billion years old and it will burn for ~4 billion more. And it's a ball of hydrogen that's so big and so dense that it keeps planets, asteroids, and dust orbiting it up to 5,000 - maybe even 200,000 AU away.

Oh - and back to that pic with the blue dot. That solar prominence is likely longer than the distance between the Earth and the moon.

Edit: Math error fixed.
 
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I love all my High School and College courses better now than when I was being tested on them in 1966--70.

I went to a local county college for some classes as an adult (early 30s) and it was a blast learning things I was interested in. I mostly took programming (C) and astronomy because the school had an actual planetarium. The class was two hours with half in the classroom and half in the planetarium. It was awesome.

Years later we learned that you could do birthday parties there and we went back for my daughter’s 7th birthday and my wife took them again with their girl scout troop.

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This little gem was sitting on a desk in the room:

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That’s a $30,000 Questar and they still make them today. That’s a dream scope and I watched the professor take off the dust cap, notice dust on the objective, then pull out a handkerchief and wipe it off. I just about died but he was about 150 years old and otherwise awesome.
 

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I am astounded by the celestial coincidences of size and distance that allow the sun and moon to have roughly the same apparent size in the sky (thus eclipses) even though the sun is 400 times larger than the moon.
 

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I used to visit New Orleans regularly back in the late 80’s when my high school sweetheart was attending Tulane on a full scholarship. There were always a bunch of folks w/ massive telescopes set up on the street near Cafe DuMonde. They’d have a hat out for donations for tourists to step up and take a peek. I guess that’s how they could afford some of these very expensive toys.

I also love a good planetarium. We have a great science center run by NASA (The Howard B Owens Science Center) which is right down the street from Goddard Space Station (where many of my childhood friend’s parents worked) that is there for local school class trips. I loved going there as a kid. Adler Planetarium in Chicago is also very good.
 

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I am astounded by the celestial coincidences of size and distance that allow the sun and moon to have roughly the same apparent size in the sky (thus eclipses) even though the sun is 400 times larger than the moon.

Agreed.

To further the awe, 400x is likely the difference in diameter like with my blue dot pic since the Earth is 108x smaller than the sun by diameter.

By volume and mass things get crazy:

It would take more than 330,000 Earths to match the mass of the Sun, and it would take 1.3 million Earths to fill the Sun's volume. [source]
 

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Also, consider this…

Our soar system was born from the remnants of supernova that exploded more than 4 million years ago, generating, and then ejecting, all of the elements heavier than hydrogen and helium that we need to be alive, like carbon and oxygen. I wrote a song about it:

Dying Star

Everything you see
And everything that you are
Everything you eat and drink
Sitting in this bar

Comes from a dying star
Comes from a dying star
Everything you are
Comes from a dying star

The ring upon your finger
The car that you drive
The very air that you breathe
Keeping you alive

Comes from a dying star
Comes from a dying star
Everything you are
Comes from a dying star

The water in the ocean
The ground on which you stand
And everything you've ever touched
With your outstretched hand

Comes from a dying star
Comes from a dying star
Everything you are
Comes from a dying star
 

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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

- Carl Sagan
 

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Also, consider this…

Our soar system was born from the remnants of supernova that exploded more than 4 million years ago, generating, and then ejecting, all of the elements heavier than hydrogen and helium that we need to be alive, like carbon and oxygen. I wrote a song about it:

Dying Star

Everything you see
And everything that you are
Everything you eat and drink
Sitting in this bar

Comes from a dying star
Comes from a dying star
Everything you are
Comes from a dying star

The ring upon your finger
The car that you drive
The very air that you breathe
Keeping you alive

Comes from a dying star
Comes from a dying star
Everything you are
Comes from a dying star

The water in the ocean
The ground on which you stand
And everything you've ever touched
With your outstretched hand

Comes from a dying star
Comes from a dying star
Everything you are
Comes from a dying star
Just 4 million years ago? 🫣
 

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Reckon there's a mild eclipse phenomenon, how it affects people?

Monday around noon here.

My eyes have recovered, better than ever!

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Giant solar flare? The sensor survived it.
 

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Another interesting fact....the light you see from the sun is from photons, which take between 10,000 and 170,000 years on average to go from the center of the sun to the surface. Some photons can take up to a million years to escape the sun's center.

It then takes about 8 minutes to travel the 93 million miles to earth...

Those little dots you see on the surface of the first picture are from magnetic storms. They create solar flares and coronal mass ejections (CME) which shoot our way occasionally and create the Aurora Borealis and sometimes affect satellites and communications. Solar scientists watch those very carefully because they are potentially devastating if a really big geomagnetic storm happens and it is pointed directly at earth. If the right conditions happen, they could literally wipe out all the electrical grids on the part of the earth facing the sun by sending a giant electrical pulse through the wires and basically blowing up the giant transformers that supply the grid with high voltage electrical power. These transformers are not easily replaceable and there are basically none sitting on shelves, so if (actually when) that happens, the affected areas will be without power for months, possibly years. That means: no phones, heat, cooling, ATMs, gas pumps, grocery stores, etc, affecting nearly every aspect of our technological lives. Basically part of the planet goes back to the dark ages for many months (possibly years in some places) while we wait to build and replace the detroyed transfrrmers and get the electricity flowing again. The folks at NOAA's Solar Weather Prediction Center (SWPC) and others are on deck 24/7/365 to try to figure out when one of these storms will happen and then warn the affected areas to shut down the grid ASAP, since we only have a few hours after seeing the storm to react.

Just another fun fact to illustrate the multitude of ways that the universe is out to get us...so remember: Stay Calm and Beware the Sun! :)
 

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Another interesting fact....the light you see from the sun is from photons, which take between 10,000 and 170,000 years on average to go from the center of the sun to the surface. Some photons can take up to a million years to escape the sun's center.

It then takes about 8 minutes to travel the 93 million miles to earth...

Those little dots you see on the surface of the first picture are from magnetic storms. They create solar flares and coronal mass ejections (CME) which shoot our way occasionally and create the Aurora Borealis and sometimes affect satellites and communications. Solar scientists watch those very carefully because they are potentially devastating if a really big geomagnetic storm happens and it is pointed directly at earth. If the right conditions happen, they could literally wipe out all the electrical grids on the part of the earth facing the sun by sending a giant electrical pulse through the wires and basically blowing up the giant transformers that supply the grid with high voltage electrical power. These transformers are not easily replaceable and there are basically none sitting on shelves, so if (actually when) that happens, the affected areas will be without power for months, possibly years. That means: no phones, heat, cooling, ATMs, gas pumps, grocery stores, etc, affecting nearly every aspect of our technological lives. Basically part of the planet goes back to the dark ages for many months (possibly years in some places) while we wait to build and replace the detroyed transfrrmers and get the electricity flowing again. The folks at NOAA's Solar Weather Prediction Center (SWPC) and others are on deck 24/7/365 to try to figure out when one of these storms will happen and then warn the affected areas to shut down the grid ASAP, since we only have a few hours after seeing the storm to react.

Just another fun fact to illustrate the multitude of ways that the universe is out to get us...so remember: Stay Calm and Beware the Sun! :)
And it’s happened before!
 
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