Martin meets Guild at Hoshino factory circa 1970's

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Seller might be intoxicated by the tone.

Doubly magical?



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Price seems high. These lawsuit-era Guild copies can be pretty nice, but I seriously doubt it sounds anything like a D-50. The back is a Martin D-35 copy. Likely it's laminated too, but can't say for sure.

I love Ibanez's lawsuit era stuff. They built some really nice ones until the lawsuit threat stopped it. But, if you want the BEST of Ibanez, find a series I Artwood and you'll love it. :)
 

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I wish there was a D50 to compare to around here, as I picked up a Hoshino made Matao branded Martin D35 copy that has very unusually great tone.

It has bigger lusher tone than any other guitar in the house, and I took it to a jam where these travelers visited, who go from festival to festival, they were quite good, and my neighbor was there with his 1957 D18, and the Matao sounded so much bigger and louder with incredible bass and sustain that he - no lie - asked me if "I wanted to trade" and I instantly said "no", I thought he meant forever but he clarified just while we were playing but the Matao was making me the star of the jam.

I'd seen it at a pawn shop with asking price of $119, and it was incredibly dirty, gross, and as was using my phone flashlight to see if the grain inside matched the grain outside, I noticed it was incredibly gross inside too and I just left it there.

But the next day, after reading up on Matao's and realizing that it was made by Hoshino - Ibanez- and was all solid Rosewood, not lam, that looked to be Brazilian as well, I drove an 80 mile round trip to get it, hoping that it would clean up.

It had exceedingly light strings on it, and they were damn near laying on the frets but it played fine, and vintage USA "Milk bottle" Grovers to boot.

Had never had a strap button in the heel, no case. Not a lot of evidence of playing, not beat up.

I called ahead and made sure it was behind the counter waiting for me, we'd settled on $110 out the door.

It cleaned up. Meguiar's Cleaner Wax is your friend. Lots of it, lots of elbow grease and it really cleaned up good.

Outstanding Spruce top. Back and sides are very "chocolatey" with black streaks, looks like braz to me.

Tapping the back sounds like a drum, lots of musical resonance in this wood.

I didn't get around to stringing it up for a couple days, having completely dismantled it, all tuners off in an egg carton, USA logos cast into the backside of the Grovers, easily worth twice what I paid for the guitar.

I strung it up with EJ16's, and the A string resonates for a whopping 20 seconds and sounds like a piano.

Bone nut, bone saddle.

Matao was a line of Northwest music stores in the 70's. The electrics were Fender copies, and not especially high grade at that time, mid 70's but someone there - Hoshino - really knew how to build outstanding acoustic guitars.





Before

More or less a biohazard.
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Pronounced top grain.

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Both bass strings wound backwards

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Cleaning off the old milk bottle USA Grovers, gold finish preserved by grime

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Gluing loose neck binding

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Gluing a crack in the back, most def not laminated

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After

Outstanding top grain

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Gorgeous headstock, bound, bone nut

Vintage Grovers feel great, work like new. Ironic US guitars like Guild used cheaper Japan tuners, while Japan guitars used USA tuners.

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Unusual 3 piece back, looks a lot like Brazilian Rosewood

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The price might seem high "for an Ibanez" but older models seem to be doing pretty well price wise, and these nicely built acoustic models are probably rarer than any of the electric models.

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The Matao looks to be a nicer build than the actual Ibanez branded guitars, maybe a little earlier than the guitars I posted. I'm tempted to take it to the LGS to see if anything they have hanging on the wall compares, if I had the time and nothing to do.
 

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I dug out my rather large "Ibanez The untold story" book last night at bedtime, and more info on the acoustics than I thought there would be.

The 3 piece back guitars were "Rosewood or Jacaranda with Maple center piece".

They don't specify the Rosewood, but it looks like it could be Dalbergia Nigra.

I went to see a living blues legend the other night, an old friend invited me, wanted me to try ribs he's been mastering and we hung out for a couple hours before the show.

His last ex married a guy who's into vintage guitars "who'd gone to China and brought back a couple pallets of vintage guitars". I figured Japan, not China and asked him to put me in touch with him, and we spoke on the phone a couple days after, briefly as he was "out on the lake fishing".

He did go to Japan and brought back a couple pallet loads of guitars he's selling via a website. He seemed extremely knowledgeable about vintage Japan guitars and said that the Japanese guitar builders at the time had imported Sitka Spruce. This is the 1st time I've had someone claim to have knowledge in this area.
 

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Beautiful job restoring that Mateo guitar! What a difference. Have you been able to find out any more about it, like when it was made, model, etc.?

My primary guitar in the 70’s and early 80’s was an 1972ish Ibanez Les Paul copy in antique violin finish with Super 70 pickups. My band mate had a similar 1975 maple version. Those were fantastic guitars for the $250 or so we paid for them new. Real work horses that we played in folk coffee houses and later in clubs during our punk / new wave years. Stupidly sold it to fund a synthesizer when our keyboardist quit. Man, I miss that guitar.

I currently have a 1970 Japanese Alvarez 12-string that my MIL grifted to me a year ago. It was her only guitar bought new. It was in very rough shape with high action, but one strum and I knew it was a good guitar. I sanded and re-leveled the neck, did a complete refret, installed a belly reducer, carved a new bone nut (twice…), sanded but left the original adjustable bridge/saddle, replaced the tuners, and did a ton of polishing. Way more work than it’s $ value, but it now plays and sounds really nice. In fact I think I need to go play it today.

Yeah, Japan made some really good stuff back in the 70’s.
 

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Beautiful job restoring that Mateo guitar!

Thank you.

I'm figuring "mid 70's" on the Matao, no idea of model #, no paper tag or evidence of a missing paper tag.

But I should look carefully at the neck block, there could be some numbers there.

The Japan stuff is really strange, "Punches above it's weight" is certainly an apt description for my Sango Guild copy. It's got a lam top, it's all lam, but sounds nearly as good as the Matao. How they do that?

They both have brand new EJ16's to be fair, and the lam top Sango is nearly as loud and powerful as the Matao, I'd rather take it to a campfire gig than the Matao.

What the Matao has going for it, when strumming strings open side by side is more complexity of tone. Same notes, more overtones. It's subtle.

The Matao has obviously been neglected all it's life, uncased.

I cased it, at the expense of the Sango, and it sat in the humidified case a few days since playing out with the travelers, and it seemed like it had lost a little something from being cased/humidified.

I let it sit out all day yesterday and the extra magical tone came right back.

Does a drier guitar sound better?

I love the way this kind of obsessing can make you forget about a lot of other things you'd like to forget about...

The Matao made me have a total 180º about acoustic vs electric guitars.

I put my Strat away, and that's saying a lot.
 

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“I love the way this kind of obsessing can make you forget about a lot of other things you'd like to forget about...”

This right here x100.
 
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