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Hi all-

This beauty popped up on CL about an hour out of town the other day and I was fortunate to have emailed first. The date's a little hard to pin down as the headstock has been double stamped, but a few folks have said either early 60's or late 50's. It had a break at the headstock that needed some attention and a whack in the binding around the 1st-2nd frets that needed looking at, too, so I just got it back late last week. The play wear on the instrument is amazing. Whoever played it must have been a soloist as it's down to the wood around the 12th fret, which I don't see very often.

Yesterday some sun came out, so I got some decent pictures. I'm very excited. I never thought I'd find one of these at a reasonable price.

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Hi IP, welcome to LTG, and congratulations on your new guitar! Can't help you with the exact date but, considering the pickups, I think you're in the ballpark ... it's a beauty!
 
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infiniteposse said:
The date's a little hard to pin down as the headstock has been double stamped, but a few folks have said either early 60's or late 50's.

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Hello folks,

First a welcome to infiniteposse!

I have been e-mailing with him about this guitar and this is what I can come up with:

We're looking at a CE-100DP from 1959. Unfortunately the guitar has lost the label, so we can't date it by that. The original serial number seems to be # 11207, which fits in with other CE-100s from that period with neighboring serial numbers.
The specs that make sense for a guitar from that period are the pickups, the toggle switch plate and the pickguard.

The part that doesn't make sense is the neck, or the headstock shape to be more precise and also the sunburst finish. It's the 'center raised' headstock shape that was introduced on most Guild guitars after 1963. If we look really close, we can see another serial number, that is not as clear as the other one.

The not so clear one is serial # 36904, which would fit in with the shape of the headstock. I looked in my database and I found various CE-100(D)s with very close serial numbers that were completed in 'final assembly' by the end of 1964. However, I did not find # 36904.

This is my theory:
This CE-100DP was returned to the factory after the end of 1964. There it did get a 'new' neck, which actually was a 'used' neck from a guitar that was never officially finished ( for whatever what reason). The old 1964 serial number on the neck was 'filled' and overstamped with the original serial number of the 1959 guitar. The guitar was completely refinished and that's why it has a later style sunburst. The original '59 style sunburst would have been much less pronounced.

Over time the filler in the 1964 serial number has shrunk to the point where it's now visible again and causing all the confusion.

That's pretty much it!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
 
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Hans-

Thanks so much for the detective work! That's an amazing story and quite a journey the guitar took.

The former owner's wife, who I purchased it from, got it from a pawn shop in New Brunswick, New Jersey in 1973. The wear on the guitar was on it when she bought it for her husband, so perhaps it was owned by some player in NJ whi tore up stages with it regularly.

Regardless, it's going to get played plenty now.

Thanks again Hans.

Lee

hansmoust said:
infiniteposse said:
The date's a little hard to pin down as the headstock has been double stamped, but a few folks have said either early 60's or late 50's.

869b896e.jpg
Click to expand...

Hello folks,

First a welcome to infiniteposse!

I have been e-mailing with him about this guitar and this is what I can come up with:

We're looking at a CE-100DP from 1959. Unfortunately the guitar has lost the label, so we can't date it by that. The original serial number seems to be # 11207, which fits in with other CE-100s from that period with neighboring serial numbers.
The specs that make sense for a guitar from that period are the pickups, the toggle switch plate and the pickguard.

The part that doesn't make sense is the neck, or the headstock shape to be more precise and also the sunburst finish. It's the 'center raised' headstock shape that was introduced on most Guild guitars after 1963. If we look really close, we can see another serial number, that is not as clear as the other one.

The not so clear one is serial # 36904, which would fit in with the shape of the headstock. I looked in my database and I found various CE-100(D)s with very close serial numbers that were completed in 'final assembly' by the end of 1964. However, I did not find # 36904.

This is my theory:
This CE-100DP was returned to the factory after the end of 1964. There it did get a 'new' neck, which actually was a 'used' neck from a guitar that was never officially finished ( for whatever what reason). The old 1964 serial number on the neck was 'filled' and overstamped with the original serial number of the 1959 guitar. The guitar was completely refinished and that's why it has a later style sunburst. The original '59 style sunburst would have been much less pronounced.

Over time the filler in the 1964 serial number has shrunk to the point where it's now visible again and causing all the confusion.

That's pretty much it!

Sincerely,

Hans Moust
http://www.guitarsgalore.nl
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What a great story - that is one unique guitar! Looks like it will play great - enjoy it!

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Hans, excellent detective work! Very interesting indeed!

All the best with the new axe IP.
 
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Lee,
Welcome to the LTG Detective Agency. Hans is quite the resource when it comes to our favorite guitars.
Great start with a super photo layout and a great looking and storied guitar.

Stay in tune, :wink:
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Welcome ip,
Thats CE's got some mojo just looking at it 8)
And it's got a great story to go with it!
Break a string,
skinny
 
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Nice guitar.....bet it sounds great.....

...... and very interesting explanation of the mixed features and double serial numbers by Hans......

Thanks!

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Quick question all-

The frets are in low, but playable condition for now. There's a little fret-buzz around the 12th-14th fret on the e string. The bridge has been shaved down quite a bit as-is and the strings clear the bridge pickup, but not by much. Do you guys see the need for neck resets often on these guys? It's certainly something I'd love to avoid, but I know some brands are more prone to needing them than others for various reasons... Is narrow clearance for strings over the bridge pup normal? This also isn't a stock bridge assembly, so that might also be part of what's going on.

Any thoughts appreciated!

Lee
 
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So is that a sunburst on the baby's pacifier, or is it natural??? :lol:
 
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