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The cheap Levitt house that I grew up in (1/4 acre plot, single story cape, built on a concrete slab) now has a Zillow estimate of almost a million dollars, despite not being substantially changed since my folks sold it in 1986.
My parents bought a deep lot in South Pasadena after WWII for $2,000. With some friends, my dad built a small 2 BR house on it. Several years later they got a contractor to add on a master bedroom and living room to the front of the small house. Mom died many years ago, and dad finally died a couple years ago at age 100. My brother and I subsequently sold the place for $1.5 million.
 

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We closed on our "downsizing for retirement" home in mid-December after a nearly 3-year search. We'll move in a month or two once we're done our before-we-move-in projects, then sell our 1905 Victorian that my parents bought in 1970 and we bought from my folks in 1992.

Our realtor's analysis of the housing market in our area is it is driven by the "Three D's: Death, divorce, downsizing".

As it happens we downsized into a house being sold as the result of a divorce.

The California real estate market has been through multiple boom and bust cycles - I had a couple of uncles in Cali working in aerospace who timed those cycles into some serious money.
 

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I think the estimate was $335K. And this is out here in the Mojave desert. At our place with 2 houses, were at 3200 sq feet on an acre. I don't want to really know what that would come in as.
 

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[Kinison]We have deserts in the United States, but nobody lives in 'em![/Kinison]

just joshing you, John. :D Although, honestly, I can't imagine what it's like living in Mojave. No thanks (for me)!
 

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They can’t. Old people aren’t selling, either. It’s a huge problem.
Why on earth would someone like me, at 66 ever want to sell? This place has been paid for for 5 years and last year at 65, our property tax was frozen, then we got a substantial property tax drop this year. We old folks can't come close to what we have for what we'd have to sell for. Our property, along with everything else has appreciated considerably from it's value when we built 15 years ago.

Our son in law's parents built what we call a "shop house" last year. They built a metal building home, with our son in law as the builder, at 1550 sq. ft., for $360,000. We're just fine where we are. 😊

Gosh, we bought our 3.5 acres in 2007 for $35,000 and built this place in '09 for $280,000. People thought I was nuts and spending WAY too much money for the 3.5 acres.


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Chazmo,

There is a range of climates in the Mojave desert. I guess it's down to how hot and how dry do you want it. I moved down from the local mountains to go to college and ended up stuck here. I married a desert girl who was born at George AFB and has little desire to change locations. Now, where could be afford to move to? We occasionally bounce " what if " ideas around for mental exercise. It never gets anywhere. I can be in San Diego in 3 hours. Vegas in 3-1/2 hours. The pacific coast beaches in 2 on a light traffic day should that ever happen again. Yosemite in maybe 6 hours Geographically it's situated well. If it just wasn't so hot in the summer.
 

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Chazmo,

There is a range of climates in the Mojave desert. I guess it's down to how hot and how dry do you want it. I moved down from the local mountains to go to college and ended up stuck here. I married a desert girl who was born at George AFB and has little desire to change locations. Now, where could be afford to move to? We occasionally bounce " what if " ideas around for mental exercise. It never gets anywhere. I can be in San Diego in 3 hours. Vegas in 3-1/2 hours. The pacific coast beaches in 2 on a light traffic day should that ever happen again. Yosemite in maybe 6 hours Geographically it's situated well. If it just wasn't so hot in the summer.
John, are you in the town of Mohave on Hwy 14? In the 1950s, my dad speculatively purchased quite a lot of property throughout SoCal, including Santa Barbara, Oceanside, & Pasadena where we lived. Unfortunately, he passed away in 1959 at the age of 46. My mom remarried nine years later when I was sixteen, and my step-dad sold all the properties to help fund an early retirement - with the exception of two five acre parcels in the desert that essentially had no value. One was east of 29-Palms near Joshua Tree National Monument, while the other was north of Mohave near Cantil & the current Honda test track. When my mom passed away in 2016, my sister & I inherited the properties, and they were still worth next to nothing! I’m in Oregon & my sister is in Florida, so we couldn’t reasonably keep an eye on them. We might have kept them just for fun, but then we started worrying about squatters & perhaps being responsible someday for a massive clean-up operation. By 2018, we’d sold both properties, but part of me wishes we’d kept them, as years ago my wife & I would pass through the Mohave area on our way to visit her family in Phoenix during the holidays. I fondly recall how we’d drive all night, and seemed to always hit it with the sun rising on the horizon, and a beautiful scene unfolding before us. But then again, it was December!
 

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"The other sad thing is builders aren’t building stand alone starter homes."

There is a reason, in many cases. The property alone costs a lot now and the building materials have gone way up. Add those two things and even a small house probably costs the builder 150K. Add the labor and permits to that. Do you want to make 10K a house for all that or do want to make 100K for all that work?

Some one mentioned " Maybe in the Mojave desert.." Not really. My brother lives in a 900 sq ft house built in the 70s in a pretty cheap manner. ( The developer was well known for building to code but just barely and using scraps from one house in the next one. ) and it could go for over $300 now.

If we never move, our kid can continue living in our mother-in-law house ( 900sqft and a garage ) for free. He gets the front house when were gone. I don't know how kids out of college can afford anything.

Your average blue collar kid can't, unless they are in a building trades union. For every college graduate earning 200k a year, there are a thousand making 36k. I used to look at urban flight with a jaundiced eye, but know it's starting to look like driving an hour and a half to work is the only way to buy your own home. Not when New Yorkers buy up the affordable homes, and promptly rent them for a premium. That's been an issue for at least a decade, and there are whole neighborhoods of starter homes that are now slumlord rentals.
In my job, you get to watch societal change in real time, and rentals kill neighborhoods. No maintenance by the slumlords, and who has pride in a rental unit? Why take care of something when you know you're going to be forced to leave eventually?
 

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So they're selling duplexes. We have those here in Iowa too.

It is all relative. My son lives in LA and a few years ago the bought a house that in my opinion cost him more than twice what that same house would cost here in Iowa. But he makes three times more money in LA than I he would make here, so he can afford it.
 

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The changes are very noticeable and sometimes fairly quick. My last apartment in LA I was in for 10 years before we moved to Vegas. This was 29 years ago when I first rented it. I saw this ad and snapped up this apartment! It was on Beverly Blvd. near Vermont. Up on a rise, with views of the city and the Hollywood Hills. Huge! Back then because for some reason the hood was predominantly Asian and Hispanic, I got this gigantic 2 bedroom place built in 1905 with original custom fireplace and all mahogany trim and doors for $825 a month. It was rent controlled and every year they raised the rent as much as they were allowed. Ten years later when we moved, it was $1,025 a month. I'd done some improvement while I was there and after we moved, Don the upstairs neighbor texted me. They'd just rented it for $3,300 a month!! When I first moved in I could be in West Hollywood, or the San Fernando Valley in 15-20 minutes. Ten years later you had to triple that time because of traffic. You couldn't pay me to move back there. I grew up in and around Los Angeles so I have many fond and great memories, but now?? Nuh uh!!
 

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It's hard for me to relate to a bunch of this metropolis discussion living 5 miles outside a town of 4000 people. 😊 My disdain for driving to visit my boys is becoming an issue as I no longer have the patience, or the nerve for D/FW driving. We drove right through the middle of it last Friday headed to West Texas for a hunting trip, and my "nerves of steel" brother, who was driving, was going nuts at the craziness.....85 mph bumper to bumper, and if it's not like Talladega, it's a traffic jam. I no longer do it alone, and am fine with my wife, or a passenger along to help me watch traffic and navigate. But if I could, I'd never leave my little country world out here.

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We go out to visit my son every January. We fly into Palm Springs, which is very much like the town where we live in Iowa as far as driving is concerned. We rent a three bedroom house with a pool that belongs to a friend of my son, and that's as close to LA as I want to get. Then they come out to Palm Springs from LA and stay with us there. They love LA and that's good for them. I've been to their house in LA a couple times and it is nice, but Palm Springs and the Coachella Valley is more my style. Still, I couldn't come close to buying a house in Palm Springs on an Iowa pension.
 

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"The other sad thing is builders aren’t building stand alone starter homes."

There is a reason, in many cases. The property alone costs a lot now and the building materials have gone way up. Add those two things and even a small house probably costs the builder 150K. Add the labor and permits to that. Do you want to make 10K a house for all that or do want to make 100K for all that work?

Some one mentioned " Maybe in the Mojave desert.." Not really. My brother lives in a 900 sq ft house built in the 70s in a pretty cheap manner. ( The developer was well known for building to code but just barely and using scraps from one house in the next one. ) and it could go for over $300 now.

If we never move, our kid can continue living in our mother-in-law house ( 900sqft and a garage ) for free. He gets the front house when were gone. I don't know how kids out of college can afford anything.
John,
Living as we do in the Greater Toronto Area where residential real estate is very expensive, as parents whose children struggle with their living expenses, we and our friends have discussed these problems at length. A very real estate-savvy friend thinks the only way to get developers to build low-cost starter homes would be to subsidize their costs. Otherwise they will continue to ignore this segment of the buyers market and put up the most profitable (expensive) homes, and condominiums they can.
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it's starting to look like driving an hour and a half to work is the only way to buy your own home.
Back in 1999, to afford buying a house in the San Francisco Bay Area, the bank told me I qualified for homes east around Tracy (90 miles away) or north in the Fairfield area (60 miles northeast). So, I bought in the 60 miles away area.

But, ironically, you can't afford to buy there unless you are making the wages a San Francisco job pays. So, for nine years I did a commute that averaged 4 hours a day, 1 1/2 hours in the morning and 2 1/2 hours in the evening on average. My worst commute home was 4hrs 15 min to go that 60 miles.

And then to go all through that and lose the house to a divorce!!!

Oh, well, life is good now. Divorce long over with and retired with no commute. Living the dream !!

Hoping to own again, but we'll see.
 

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Although, honestly, I can't imagine what it's like living in Mojave. No thanks (for me)!
My wife and I like visiting the Mojave area, but I don't think we would live there. We usually stay there passing through on our way to or from Death Valley or Joshua Tree.

A friend of mine retired near Joshua Tree. Has has a house with a pool on 5 acres on a hill and put in a robust-enough solar system that he has no utility bill for his A/C so he and his wife are loving it.

I highly recommend visiting Death Valley and Joshua Tree (in the winter) but I grew up in Michigan so I need to see some greenery to feel at home.
 

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So they're selling duplexes. We have those here in Iowa too.
Um, no.
In Philly, rowhomes are typical. Duplexes are a building with one apt up and one down.
Point is, as working class, you were able to afford buying one. Now, you can't.
 

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Um, no.
In Philly, rowhomes are typical. Duplexes are a building with one apt up and one down.
Point is, as working class, you were able to afford buying one. Now, you can't.

The house my mom grew up in was a building with two houses in it side by side, also called a duplex.
 

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A duplex is generally a property divided into two separate living units. Those units can be situated side by side or stacked one on top of the other (the “one-up, one-down”). There are separate entrances for each unit, and sometimes there are separate garages and yards, as well.

On the West coast, it was primarily side by side, but you could find stacked as well.
 

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My first two years of college from ‘69 to ‘71, I had a delivery job with a pharmacy/liquor store operation in Altadena, just north of Pasadena. Lots of large & valuable older homes at the base of the San Gabriel Mountains. Delivering drugs & alcohol (oh boy!), folks would often want to chat a bit. I would wonder how anyone could afford these homes, and came to find that many of them had simply been passed down through a family, with few new purchasers.

Today with so many kids continuing to live with their parents well into adulthood, I think we’re going to see that happening a lot. So rather than more homes becoming available as baby boomers die off, their homes will go straight to the kids, who will continue to live in them because like their parents, they wouldn’t be able to live as comfortably in any other scenario.
 

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Exactly!! We meet "kids" (to us) who are 24-30 years old and ask, where do you live? "With my parents over by Pecos and Warm Springs." I mean, I was out of the house at 18!! But no, not so much any more. The world is changing a lot. Wonder if any of our European friends could chime in on this. We're getting mostly the USA story. Anyone?? :unsure:
 
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