Old guitars attract old folks, Guild F112 goes out playing to rave reviews, it's a babe magnet

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Ok, so the babes were definitely older ;[] But here I am, playing the F112 at a very large gathering, 1st big party in the valley this year, a 70th Bday for the gal hosting the party (a huge place with a stage), and a 50 year anniversary for me and her this year since getting here in '74. We've known each other that long, through 2 husbands, last one's dead and I still miss him (the 1st one was at the party with current and very longtime wife), and she's my wife's truest friend for decades now. And soon I find myself surrounded by ladies at the campfire in front of the stage, and they're telling me how good the guitar sounds, asking me how old it is, how it looks great, on and on.

The minute I had started playing it just casually walking around warming up after taking it out of the case, an older gent I'd never met, John, came over to tell me how great it sounded and how he hadn't heard a 12 string in long time, and how much he missed all the great players we've lost recently, and how he'd seen John Prine so many times over decades, and how much he missed him, he about teared up and I got to share my all time favorite JP lyrics with him, "There's a hole in Daddy's arm..." He said "Prine was a poet".

And so this one lady sits to my left, the good side, introduces herself - while I'm playing, asks, how long... have you been playing? Holding out her hand for a proper lady handshake.

And so I say "Since I was 8", in 1968 and realized for the first time that I started playing guitar the year the guitar was made, and while I've had several "birth year" guitars and still do, I've never felt the connection that strongly, but this, the year I started playing, it is meaningful.

And then my new favorite tagline "This guitar was around for Woodstock", and mindblowing the gal says "I was at Woodstock, I'm from Buffalo, I saw Hendrix on the last day, etc, etc" I got goosebumps.

The Bday gal's 1st husband wife says "My Dad took me to see the Beatles in '64", which almost trumped the Woodstock thing I would have liked to have heard more about.

Another one had seen Led Zeppelin multiple times.

Another one The Dead multiple times, at the Cow Palace, and other places.

Right next to me I had these gals who's seen Hendrix, The Beatles, Zeppelin, unreal.

And one gal, Virginia was married to a well known musician over in the big city and all of them know the same folks I knoew from years ago, a local Lute builder in Irish band Floating Crowbar who actually asked me to go get a coffee with him once, in another lifetime, which makes me near royalty in that elevated local circle.

At some point my wife and host noticed I had an "entourage" while almost everybody else as the party hanging out by their rigs, smoking, the younger folk, under 50 yet.

I just played and played and played, in Double Dropped D the whole time.

Mostly Cinnamon Girl* (totally blaming WW), over and over, with little variations, getting better at the verse chords sequence each time, it was really making people's ears perk up. This kid, A. Young comes over to watch me play and say hi. His Grandpa just passed away last fall, I'd known him 50 years and we played guitar on this same stage many many times. He was an amazing singer guitar player. And the grandson plays, he was a big deal ten years ago when he got going.

It got cold, there was raging fire, wind blowing flames over, I'd have to lean way back for a second, and the F112 never needed any retuning, not one string all afternoon/evening, this started at 3pm andf went on til dark.

Because of the time change it was a struggle to get there on time, it was a potluck so we made/brought food, but I still found the time to have the guitar totally ready, I mean totally.

I'd been working on it for days, since receiving the saddle from Christopher Cozad on the 13th. Ooo, the 13th. And the guitar is OA 113, the 13th by serial number when the F112 was brought to market in 1968 with serial # OA 101.


I sweated - literally- over that saddle for a couple days, didn't ruin my marriage but it tried.

The guitar tried to reject the new part, acted weird, I tightened the TR nuts on a hunch, they were both near loose, and the the weirest thing happened, it was like someone had dropped the nut slots dramastically, I had to capo @ 2 to get it to play, and I could tell the saddle was right, if not still a bit too low, but so much better, so much better, I've got all my notes everywhere, and it made the guitar harder to play, so maybe that's as high as I need the strings.

So took all the tension off the TR's again, in Double Dropped D, just not really enough tension on the neck, and ran em down to just past seated so nothing rattles and it's good. I put the cover back on, upside down at first, but I could see a gap around the sides...

In the end, I won.


The guitar started sounding more and more marvelous, and I also had a couple days to learn Cinnamon Girl proper. Around here, we got Cinnamon bears, Black bears that turn Brown in summer, so I could easily re-write the lyrics to fit a more local theme, besides obsessing over someone else's wife "coming at him through Phil Och's eye's playing finger cymbals".

As Neil said "I had a hard time explaining to my wife" lol.

Song was also wrote in a "fever dream" while he was sick, he wrote several songs in one day, Cinnamon Girl, Down By The River, and a couple other ones.







* And it keeps playing through my head in an infinite loop.











 

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Ok, so the babes were definitely older ;[] But here I am, playing the F112 at a very large gathering, 1st big party in the valley this year, a 70th Bday for the gal hosting the party (a huge place with a stage), and a 50 year anniversary for me and her this year since getting here in '74. We've known each other that long, through 2 husbands, last one's dead and I still miss him (the 1st one was at the party with current and very longtime wife), and she's my wife's truest friend for decades now. And soon I find myself surrounded by ladies at the campfire in front of the stage, and they're telling me how good the guitar sounds, asking me how old it is, how it looks great, on and on.

The minute I had started playing it just casually walking around warming up after taking it out of the case, an older gent I'd never met, John, came over to tell me how great it sounded and how he hadn't heard a 12 string in long time, and how much he missed all the great players we've lost recently, and how he'd seen John Prine so many times over decades, and how much he missed him, he about teared up and I got to share my all time favorite JP lyrics with him, "There's a hole in Daddy's arm..." He said "Prine was a poet".

And so this one lady sits to my left, the good side, introduces herself - while I'm playing, asks, how long... have you been playing? Holding out her hand for a proper lady handshake.

And so I say "Since I was 8", in 1968 and realized for the first time that I started playing guitar the year the guitar was made, and while I've had several "birth year" guitars and still do, I've never felt the connection that strongly, but this, the year I started playing, it is meaningful.

And then my new favorite tagline "This guitar was around for Woodstock", and mindblowing the gal says "I was at Woodstock, I'm from Buffalo, I saw Hendrix on the last day, etc, etc" I got goosebumps.


The Bday gal's 1st husband wife says "My Dad took me to see the Beatles in '64", which almost trumped the Woodstock thing I would have liked to have heard more about.

Another one had seen Led Zeppelin multiple times.

Another one The Dead multiple times, at the Cow Palace, and other places.

Right next to me I had these gals who's seen Hendrix, The Beatles, Zeppelin, unreal.

And one gal, Virginia was married to a well known musician over in the big city and all of them know the same folks I knoew from years ago, a local Lute builder in Irish band Floating Crowbar who actually asked me to go get a coffee with him once, in another lifetime, which makes me near royalty in that elevated local circle.

At some point my wife and host noticed I had an "entourage" while almost everybody else as the party hanging out by their rigs, smoking, the younger folk, under 50 yet.

I just played and played and played, in Double Dropped D the whole time.

Mostly Cinnamon Girl* (totally blaming WW), over and over, with little variations, getting better at the verse chords sequence each time, it was really making people's ears perk up. This kid, A. Young comes over to watch me play and say hi. His Grandpa just passed away last fall, I'd known him 50 years and we played guitar on this same stage many many times. He was an amazing singer guitar player. And the grandson plays, he was a big deal ten years ago when he got going.

It got cold, there was raging fire, wind blowing flames over, I'd have to lean way back for a second, and the F112 never needed any retuning, not one string all afternoon/evening, this started at 3pm andf went on til dark.

Because of the time change it was a struggle to get there on time, it was a potluck so we made/brought food, but I still found the time to have the guitar totally ready, I mean totally.

I'd been working on it for days, since receiving the saddle from Christopher Cozad on the 13th. Ooo, the 13th. And the guitar is OA 113, the 13th by serial number when the F112 was brought to market in 1968 with serial # OA 101.


I sweated - literally- over that saddle for a couple days, didn't ruin my marriage but it tried.

The guitar tried to reject the new part, acted weird, I tightened the TR nuts on a hunch, they were both near loose, and the the weirest thing happened, it was like someone had dropped the nut slots dramastically, I had to capo @ 2 to get it to play, and I could tell the saddle was right, if not still a bit too low, but so much better, so much better, I've got all my notes everywhere, and it made the guitar harder to play, so maybe that's as high as I need the strings.

So took all the tension off the TR's again, in Double Dropped D, just not really enough tension on the neck, and ran em down to just past seated so nothing rattles and it's good. I put the cover back on, upside down at first, but I could see a gap around the sides...

In the end, I won.


The guitar started sounding more and more marvelous, and I also had a couple days to learn Cinnamon Girl proper. Around here, we got Cinnamon bears, Black bears that turn Brown in summer, so I could easily re-write the lyrics to fit a more local theme, besides obsessing over someone else's wife "coming at him through Phil Och's eye's playing finger cymbals".

As Neil said "I had a hard time explaining to my wife" lol.

Song was also wrote in a "fever dream" while he was sick, he wrote several songs in one day, Cinnamon Girl, Down By The River, and a couple other ones.







* And it keeps playing through my head in an infinite loop.

Marvelous story. Thank you for sharing your evening with us.
 

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Marvelous story. Thank you for sharing your evening with us.

And it gets better, as I recall more.

As the ladies started leaving, and we were getting a little figdety but our car was trapped - by the young dummies - as were many others so no one was leaving fast at all, one by by one they thanked me for playing, said "it sounded nice", and like several times over and over.

And even when I went back after we realized we left out favorite ladle "Wolfgang" over there, plus wife's NFPA water bottle, I went back at 8:30 pm to retrieve our stuff and as I left, again, again I got "Thanks for playing, it sounded so nice".

Unreal.

But I do have a reputation for playing there. And the Bday gals teenage grandkids and mom always thank me for my playing there when I do, and this teenage gal is like a drop dead gorgeous high school beauty queen who just started college in the big city, and she always has something nice to say about my playing.

When I played at her Grandpa's remembrance a couple summers ago, this time playing my Yamaki Martin D28 Dread copy, on a Space Odyssey kick, this teenage kid went out of her way to tell me it "sounded really nice".

I always just improvise, but usually on a theme.

What's nuts bout playing for these kids is I've known em since they needed help to get up on the community trampoline, and now they're people. The boy showed up in a giant @ss diesel Ford p'up.

Their dad is a super bigwig around here, C. Construction, they crush rock for gravel for the county, they have a concrete batch plant, tons of equipment, big outfit.
 
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It's not tiring because it sounds so incredible, especially considering it's OJT, and there's a few mistakes as I figure it out, the high E string flat by a whole tone. I'll get it after a while.

Not just the whole day in DADGBD, but more like the last couple weeks.

Here's some pics of the beast and the work done.

Saddle received on 3-13 for OA 113

Never seen anything packed like that before, and a trove of guitar body woods, from vintage guitars?

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Wrapped three ways to Sunday, observer "Nutter" cutter from Merry Olde England.

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And the saddle at last. Unbleached bone, has that look the old one did, and def need some trimming/shaping. I remembered CC saying "use 220 grit" the other day in his Tale of Two Saddles thread, and I have a small but heavy/thick double paned window, I taped the 220 down to it, kept some 320, 600 and 1500 on hand also.

1st step was the thickness, take it from 3mm down to 3/32", with caliper standing by testing for fit. I used tape you can see curled upo next to the board to hold the saddle and get even pressure on it while sliding back and forth.

And it's in. Caliper is probably 100 year old Stanley.

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Working on the saddle with small files, with heavy magnifying glasses on.

Pointed and angled the ends out to match the shape of the bridge plate slops, so it's like knife blades on the ends. The edge of the glass block/220 let me do the work quite easily, to flatten and taper the ends without getting near the string slot areas.

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Eventually the saddle was finished, and the old one with shim I'd added.

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And finally installed one last time and tuned.

I ended up needing a lot more room in the string slots the CC had designed, more on the bass side for the string to "free range" as before, I love the gaps between strings for finger picking.

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This guitar's got nuts, two of em.

This is as I found them and ended up going back to the same setting, very even, no signs of owner abuse. Note curled over string ends so they don't scratch fabrics and stab people.

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Kept all the strings on, turned out to be a good idea to see where the strings want to be when tight, I use this Kaiser capo method, with a protector against the wood so there's no string tracking on the fingerboard.

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Here is the Chesterfield not seen on all F112's at first.

I like it, very nice MOP or similar inlays.

The fingerboard in the 1st position is a road map of old songs.

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Here's that fancy binding I posted about the other day, it catches the light.

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Really thin and tight.

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The neck has subtle figure, quartersawn of that killer Peruvian Mahogany that Guild sourced for their guitars?

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Guild wasn't messing around with the F112. It's gotta be a main collector favorite. Player favorite. Kind of like the affinity for the arched D25.
 

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Love the F-112! They are lightning fast responding and brilliant sounding. Whether in a quiet intimate setting or a raucous bar they can deliver whatever sound you need. They even do well with heavier strings tuned lower. And so comfortable to play.

Maybe Guild could consider a reissue. There is F-112 love all over this forum and for many good reasons.

' Strang
 

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Love the F-112! They are lightning fast responding and brilliant sounding. Whether in a quiet intimate setting or a raucous bar they can deliver whatever sound you need. They even do well with heavier strings tuned lower. And so comfortable to play.

Maybe Guild could consider a reissue. There is F-112 love all over this forum and for many good reasons.

' Strang
Sorry for cynicism but I think the chances of that are about that same as the chances of seeing a US-built F30 again, I think they've relegated F30's and real F40's to Chinese production only. Have suspected for a couple of years now it may be due to tooling, ie, all the body bucks were sent to China.
 

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Sorry for cynicism but I think the chances of that are about that same as the chances of seeing a US-built F30 again, I think they've relegated F30's and real F40's to Chinese production only. Have suspected for a couple of years now it may be due to tooling, ie, all the body bucks were sent to China.
Yeah, I'm afraid you're right, but a guy can dream. I can even enhance those dreams with details like rosewood bodies, Adirondak tops, short scale and such. I could commission such a build but hearing loss, arthritis and life expectancy at 75 all conspire against this. Nick Apollonio could certainly do it, though. I have considered it seriously.
 

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Yeah, I'm afraid you're right, but a guy can dream. I can even enhance those dreams with details like rosewood bodies, Adirondak tops, short scale and such. I could commission such a build but hearing loss, arthritis and life expectancy at 75 all conspire against this. Nick Apollonio could certainly do it, though. I have considered it seriously.
How I feel about an F47Rce with a shortscale and 1-11/6 nut.
 
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