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Hi Frono, wow, what a labor of love! Thanks for collecting 'em and putting 'em in an easy-to get-to place for us bass fans. Just out of curiosity, are you able to say if any of those were Mgod's or Jack Bruce property without compromising their security? I'm realizing there might be issues about disclosing that kind of stuff that I might not even think of... 8) :)
 

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adorshki said:
Hi Frono, wow, what a labor of love! Thanks for collecting 'em and putting 'em in an easy-to get-to place for us bass fans. Just out of curiosity, are you able to say if any of those were Mgod's or Jack Bruce property without compromising their security? I'm realizing there might be issues about disclosing that kind of stuff that I might not even think of... 8) :)

The pictures collected come from two sources. The vast majority of them came from For Sale listings. I tried to keep track of the dealer or the eBay item number. Of course, I did not record asking price, final price or date. The one exception is the cherry SF I that dates to the end of 1967 and has a comment about headstock overlay shrinkage. That bass sold for about $3,500 on eBay in 2007 and set the record price for a SF bass. Rumor is that it went to a collector in France. I recall discussion it on LTG although I am not about to fire up my search-fu to track it down.

The other source is LTG members who offered up a picture. Reading the current thread will identify most of those.

I don't knowingly have any of mgod's pictured. If I remember correctly, most of the basses in this picture belong to mgod, with perhaps one or two belonging to Fred "Dark Star" Hammon. I'm pretty sure the blond M-85 in the back row is the bass mgod was given by Phil Lesh and has been discussed. I think the cherry SF I, in the back row, is the instrument that dates to 1964 making it one of the earliest known Starfire's. mgod has talked about some of his instruments on LTG and this, as well as a search for all of his posts, might be a good start. I do confess some confusion since I can't recall what mgod said on the now defunct Dude Pit and what has been posted here.

I do not recall that Jack Bruce played any Guild Starfires. Perhaps it was a senior moment or a deliberate attempt to provoke me? :wink:

As for Jack Casady, none of his basses are included in my pix. The main reason is that they were so heavily modified that they didn't really help my project which originally was to document the change in the bridge and the addition of the tone switch in 1967. mellowgerman seems to be collecting Casady pictures although they are scattered on LTG and Facebook.
 

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fronobulax said:
I do not recall that Jack Bruce played any Guild Starfires. Perhaps it was a senior moment or a deliberate attempt to provoke me? :wink:
That was absolutely a senior moment! I am SO mortified! :oops: Thanks for the "Catch" and clarification. It was a rough day yesterday, but my vote will always be for Mr. Casady as "the one Jack" when it comes to having to commit! I've seen those links but it's still handy to have 'em here again for others who might be interested. And yes, I'm a great fan of mellowgerman's posts too. :)
Interesting too was the ref to "the Tractor", I always loved the tone of the intro to "les Brers in A minor" on Eat A Peach. I always assumed it was just great technique, but now it sounds like maybe there was a little more to it than first meets the ear...
 

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Just for reference, here is an all original M-85 with the hagstrom humbucker in the bridge position. I believe this one dates to 1971 if I remember correctly.
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mellowgerman said:
Just for reference, here is an all original M-85 with the hagstrom humbucker in the bridge position. I believe this one dates to 1971 if I remember correctly.

Hello mellow,

It has a 1970 serial number but that doesn't say anything about the date it was finished.

Sincerely,

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fronobulax said:
I think the cherry SF I, in the back row, is the instrument that dates to 1964 making it one of the earliest known Starfire's.]
That cherry one is gone now. But the one with the 64 serial number is a sunburst. Amazing bass too.

Now I want you to track the evolution of the bridge blocks.

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mgod said:
fronobulax said:
I think the cherry SF I, in the back row, is the instrument that dates to 1964 making it one of the earliest known Starfire's.]
That cherry one is gone now. But the one with the 64 serial number is a sunburst. Amazing bass too.

Now I want you to track the evolution of the bridge blocks.

DS
Gee, that means you saw the comments here? :wink: The nice thing about bridges is that even with bad eyesight it is usually pretty easy to tell which bridge is which. I'll have to think about this one...
 

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fronobulax said:
mgod said:
Now I want you to track the evolution of the bridge blocks.
DS

The nice thing about bridges is that even with bad eyesight it is usually pretty easy to tell which bridge is which. I'll have to think about this one...

Hello frono & mgod,

Took a quick look in my database and taking into account that some guitars in there may have had replacement saddles, it looks like the change from black plastic to rosewood saddles took place somewhere around # BA-500; that would translate to some time during 1966.
Does that fit in with the basses you both have or have seen?

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Yes, and my two Hagstrom Coronados both have plastic, making me think that they came from Hagstrom to Guild that way. Maybe Guild instituted the change.

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hansmoust said:
it looks like the change from black plastic to rosewood saddles took place somewhere around # BA-500; that would translate to some time during 1966.l
Everything I can recall before 500 is, or could be plastic. 544 looks to be rosewood. But Grot's 60x looks almost metallic in the pix....

Grot?
 

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Plastic on 413

Hi all, new to forums...
I have serial #413 and can confirm it has black plastic.
 

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Necro thread :D

I have expanded my archive. I've posted a few new ones. I've protected a couple of serial numbers, by request. I've added a couple of '68's because I guess the interest is in anything that left the factory without Guild humbuckers which means up to 1970.

We think the change from plastic to rosewood saddles happened circa BA-500 or thereabouts although Grot may own an exception. BA-1459 is the highest with a straight bridge. BA-1472 is the lowest with a curved bridge and tone switch. The first factory SF II I have is BA-1212. None of this is really significant since basses did not necessarily leave the factory in serial number order.
 
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