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I have my old guild d35, that has been in my family since the late 60's, and I have learned G,C, and D cords. This is as far as I have gotten in my musical career, the books get to be greek quick. I know that I will never be able to play well, but would like to learn to play simple tunes and satisfy myself. Any advice appreciated.
 

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Learn some more chords, and begin just by strumming or fingerpicking your way through some songs you like. Soon you'll figure out what works for you, and you can add more songs, and as you learn more songs, you'll develop and hopefully find a direction you want to go in, and once you narrow it down you can find good lessons on Youtube or DVD. This is all based on personal experience. The way it worked for me was:

Some Johnny Cash songs -> some beatles songs -> Mississippi John Hurt songs -> Dave Van Ronk and onward.

I'd say the key is to enjoy every minute of it. Personally, I'd say the next step is to learn some new chords, and hack your way through some songs you like, and try both to make it sound like the recording, and then make it sound like something you like. What kind of music do you listen to?
 

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I found a lot of fun stuff on http://www.chordie.com There are thousands of simple songs layed out in alphabetical order by the artist. Most of them have full chord charts.

Don't be afraid to make your fingers work a little on the harder chords. Soon enough, you will develop muscle memory and what used to be hard will become second nature.

Then when you get bored with that, you could do some research on music theory and learn realative chords along with some scales. I've been playing for 30 years, but it never opened up for me untill I learned the scales, modes and realative chords.

Enjoy!

-Rich
 

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Bobby McGee said:
I find myself learning new stuff from Youtube lately. They seem to have something for every level.

Surfs uP!


I learned the Rainsong from a youtube tutorial. :)
 

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Nigel Wickwire said:
I have found Justin Sandercoe's site to be very helpful:

http://www.justinguitar.com/

Whether learning some new chords or a whole song, he has a lot of good videos on YouTube.

Some actual lessons from a live guitar teacher, might be something to consider, also.

~nw

Thinking of a teacher, want to get one that will work with me on my level.
 

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Hi Dlay - you should be able to do quite a few songs with only those 3 chords (and a capo) - one of my favorite songs only has 2 chords (Am and G). Am is a bit like C so you shouldn't find it hard to add to your repertoire, Em is another useful easy one, and A. You can find chord shapes and what fingers go where in Guitar beginner books - or on the internet. Add those 3 chords to your existing 3 and you will broaden your song scope considerably :D
 

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dlay
We had a discussion about three years ago here that helped some folks in your shoes.

Here is a copy of one of my post in that discussion that shows how to get some things going on the fingerboard with out getting too buried in theory.
It was a discussion on scales and chords.
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The C chord progression is something you already do if you've been playing chords for very long. The 3 primary chords used in modern music are easy to identity using the scale around which the Key is built.
Let's use the Key of C for the example but the rules apply to all major keys; A through G.
In the key of C weather speaking of the C scale or the C chord the "root " is the note C. The C Major scale contains the notes: C D E F G A B C. Remember your first grade music lesson: Doe- ray- me-fa-so-la-tee-doe. Same concept.
The 3 primary chords in any major key are named by the 1st, 4th and 5th note of the scale. In the case of C it's C, F and G. 1, 4, and 5.
These are major chords and they have a relatively "happy" sound. To add some "color" to our chord progression lets use what we call the "relative minor" a "sad" sounding chord. In the Key of C the relative minor is A minor.
So now we have our chord progression we are going to play in our practice session.

C Am F G. 4 counts of each or 8 or any number of measures you choose in 4/4 time. 4/4 time is good to learn in because we all listen to so much music that has the 4/4 time signature. It's something most of us are used to hearing.

C234 Am234 F234 G234 C234 repeat. in this example I have come back to the root chord "C" to end the progression as well as start it. Play it over and over and you have the "background" music for practicing the C Major scale. Leave off the last C chord if you choose.

Now lets add the C scale to the mix. There several places to find a C major scale on the neck of the guitar. We are going to focus on just one for now.

Most instructors start with the open position scales but because I have many very young students who have trouble reaching the nut of a dreadnought I start them in the Fifth fret. The scale we are going to learn is the C Major scale and then we modify it to the C Pentatonic scale.

Grab your guitar. All major scales are built exactly the same.
Whole step, Whole Step, half step, Whole step, Whole step, Whole step, half step, ascending from root to root (C to C) Each fret is a "half step" so it takes 2 frets to make a hole step.

We are going to apply the "finger per fret rule" in this exercise just to keep us straight about where each finger plays each note.
Your index finger will play in the 5th fret
Your middle finger will play in the 6th fret
Your ring finger will play in the 7th fret
Your pinky will play in the 8th fret.
If you lay your hand on the neck with your index between the 4th and 5th fret you will see how to apply the rule.

We are going to play on the G string, the B string, and E string, the bottom three strings on the neck just to get a simple scale going.
remember to use the finger per fret rule.


Fret the G string in the 5th fret, index finger, play C
Fret the G string in the 7th fret, ring finger, play D (whole step)
Fret the B string in the 5th fret, index finger, play E (whole step)
Fret the B string in the 6th fret, middle finger, play F (half step)
Fret the B string in the 8th fret, play G pinky, (whole step)
Fret the E string in the 5th fret, index finger, play A (whole step)
Fret the E string in the 7th fret, ring finger, play B (whole step)
Fret the E string in the 8th fret, pinky, play C (half step)

Do it a few times and then do it backwards.
this is one octave of C major.

Don't over complicate it.

If you like patterns here it is.

e string A-BC
b string EF-G
g string C-D-

Here it is in tab
-----C--D---E---F----G----A---B----C---B--A----G----F-----E---D----C
E---------------------------5---7----8---7---5----------------------------
B-----------5---6----8-----------------------------8----6----5-----------
G--5---7-----------------------------------------------------------7-----5-
D----------------------------------------------------------------------------
A--------------------------------------------------------------------------
E---------------------------------------------------------------------------

to Play a C pentatonic scale leave out the F and B. It makes it a 5 note scale thus the name "penta"

Here is another neat pattern for the C pentatonic that gets you around on the fret board. Shown in tab, note:slide from D to E
-----G--A---C--D--E---G--A---C--D--E-G--A--C----D----E
E--------------------------------------------------8---10---12--
B------------------------------------------8--10---------------
G--------------------------------5--7--9---------------------------
D-------------------------5--7------------------------------------------
A-------------3--5--7-------------------------------------------------------
E-----3--5---------------------------------------------------------------------

I posted this with a Mac using Safari so if it looks like a wreck let me know and I'll work on it.
 

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Hi there,

My advice as always would be to find another couple of guys who play and see if you can jam along with them. It's loads of fun and you pick up things very quickly.

Cheers, Ian
 

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excellent advice, take some lessons too if you are so inclined and play, play, play. Steffan
 

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Rich said:
I found a lot of fun stuff on http://www.chordie.com There are thousands of simple songs layed out in alphabetical order by the artist. Most of them have full chord charts.

Don't be afraid to make your fingers work a little on the harder chords. Soon enough, you will develop muscle memory and what used to be hard will become second nature.

Then when you get bored with that, you could do some research on music theory and learn realative chords along with some scales. I've been playing for 30 years, but it never opened up for me untill I learned the scales, modes and realative chords.

Enjoy!

-Rich

I'll second the recommendation to Chordie. If the chords look hard, try the transposition tool on the right side of the page. Keep moving the key up and down until you find one you like!

A lot of the old Dylan songs are good for learning. They seem to have simple stuff with just enough of a twist to make them interesting.

But, mostly try to have fun and keep your interest up.

Dave
 

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I do believe that's all the chords John Prine knows :lol: At least thats what he says - "Didn't need to learn any more, those three sounded pretty good to me."
There are a lot of songs that can be played with a relatively small number of major chords, toss in an Am or Em and there are lots more songs you can do.

G,C and D are great. Same songs can be done in different chord patterns, instead of G,C,D, it might be C,F,G, or D,G,A, or A,D,E. You can also use the capo to raise the key. I play a lot of songs in G,C,D with the capo on the 2nd fret, which makes it A,D,E.

guitardude is right, I hope you can find some other people to jam with, that is one of the best ways to learn.
 

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dlay said:
I have my old guild d35, that has been in my family since the late 60's, and I have learned G,C, and D cords. This is as far as I have gotten in my musical career, the books get to be greek quick. I know that I will never be able to play well, but would like to learn to play simple tunes and satisfy myself. Any advice appreciated.
As others have mentioned, chordie.com and youtube are great learning tools. Print out songs you like from chordie and them find someone playing the song on youtube. Great learning combo!
Likewise, with the chords you know, you can easily work in Em and Am and become 'dangerous in your own time.' :wink:
And play with others as much as you can!

Keep us posted,
Joe
 

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I'd second the suggestion that you find a teacher you work well with and take some lessons. A few years ago I felt like I'd plateau'd (plateaued? plato'd? plateauxed? I dunno. I hit a wall.) I found a teacher I liked, took lessons weekly for 9 months or so, and it really helped jump start my progress. I probably could have accomplished the same thing without the lessons, but it would have taken a lot longer. I think almost any guitarist, no matter how proficient, can occasionally benefit from some directed study. Keep it fun, be patient, and play a lot! :D
 

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dlay said:
Thinking of a teacher, want to get one that will work with me on my level.
Interview them beforehand or pay for a starter lesson. A good teacher will be able to work with you at your level and help you advance. Some will even look forward to working with you because your level of motivation makes you a more interesting student than someone who is taking lessons because their parents insist or someone who isn't willing to work.
 

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HI dlay, WELCOME ABOARD!
I second and third those recommendations about the places that will show you a set of lyrics along with the chord diagrams. Find as many songs that you "always wanted to learn" as possible, I believe it makes the learning struggle more enjoyable. When I was getting started I was buying those books like "Easy Grateful Dead" and "Easy George Harrison", they'd have 9 or 10 songs for a very reasonable price, like $10.00, and all the chords would be reduced to simple easy-to-plays, great for beginners. Personally I think "tabs" are a time-waster, I think they take too long to decipher and I think you learn the chord names more easily from diagrams, pretty quickly you'll know how to make the chord when all you see is its name.
Also there are a lot of us here who'll be glad to check out your D35 to make sure it hasn't somehow become infected with an anti-beginner virus, we usually offer that service for free if you cover shipping! :lol:
 
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